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WendyB2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Our HOA has been running since the early 70's in Tulsa. Recently the board has discovered that we have CCR's and Declaration signed and filed with the Secretary of State in OK but our Bylaws seem to be a draft. We have unearthed many copies of it but none are signed. Are we able to enforce any of these bylaws without original signatures on the document? There is some conversation going around between homeowners and 'Directors' that if they are not signed then they are void and in effect there is no Board. What is the truth here?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
By-laws don't need filed. They are basically the "filler" for the CC&R's. The CC&R's is where the real contractual power is at. The by-laws are more like the daily rules/regulations that the HOA forms to live by. By-laws can be as simple as rules passed in board meeting minutes in some cases.

Not suprised you don't have them filed anywhere or not signed. It may be a good idea to take a trip to the County's courthouse RECORDS department to see what is on file. The incorporation documentation if it exists should be filed at the state level.

This doesn't mean you don't need By-laws. It just means they aren't filed. They are like "rules of the household" while CC&R's are the "Law of the land".

Former HOA President
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Wendy:

I concur with Melissa … your state statutes do not have much regarding HOA’s; however, the following is one item mentioned. You will note there is no mention of By-Laws as these are in essence description of board duties, voting, etc. as Melissa stated similar to the household rules. The Declaration of CCR’s is what is attached to everyone’s warranty deeds and run with the land. These are enforceable and everyone agreed to follow when they purchased their property.

§60 854. Membership Covenants and restrictions.
Membership of said owners association shall consist of recorded owners of separately owned lots in the real estate development. Membership is transferred upon legal transfer of title to the separately owned lots. The owners association may also enforce the covenant and restrictions of the real estate development when specified by the covenants and restrictions.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The Secretary is responsible for maintaining all the documents of the corporation.

She/he should have a binder with the Incorporation papers, CCRs, bylaws, rules and regs and minutes of all meetings in it, including the Annual Meeting, approved financial statements.

At the last time of any amendment, at the end of the bylaw document, it should have stated that these bylaws "were approved by a vote of the Membership at the Annual Meeting, Date ______________ and then signed by the current secretary."

If you don't have this, then at the next board meetiing, simply acknowledge that the HOA is opertating under the version you have in your hand and have the secretary sign the document and place it in her/his binder.

WendyB2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Thanks all, there is a meeting this evening, called by the membership because they are very unhappy with our 'President'. It is my hope that at this meeting we can vote in the bylaws we have, get them into the minutes and then go about adding any addendums. We'll have a revote to get those into the minutes at our next scheduled meeting. Again, thanks for your help!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The kinds of votes you are speaking about - "voting in" the bylaws and perhaps amendments - will require a Notice to the Members, a quorum meeting and a vote of a high percentage of the Members. Your bylaws should have the guidelines in them for these kind of actions.

You DO already have bylaws. The board just needs to acknowledge the latest version and the sec. can sign them.

Comb thru the past minutes and see if there is any mention of amendments, etc. The secretary SHOULD have the bylaws at their fingertips, so I don't know what went wrong, but they ARE somewhere. What does the past secretary say?

They cannot be approved or changed, except by a Noticed vote of the members.

WendyB2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
It seems we have yet another issue. The original developer created a 'Master Association' to cover common areas, take care of assessments, etc. This was filed by the Secretary of State. Upon completion of each of 5 subassociation areas, it too was incorporated. Again, they all were incorporated separately and filed with the Secretary of State, State of OK. Unfortunately I have not found anything concrete yet that unites us under the Master Association although we have always, until now, functioned that way. One of our homeowners, a past director, says that the CC&Rs which are in our Abstracts state that we are to pay assessments to the Master Association. I have no problem with this but I need to be able to convince certain homeowners that they are not their own entity, that they do indeed fall under the umbrella of the Master Association. How do I go about doing this? What paperwork would I need?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your sub association can be incorporated.

Your CCRS say that you are under the Master association.

I don't see the conflict. That's just how you are set up.

Kind of like branches of tree.

Are you communicating with the Master Association (sending a rep to their meetings?)
WendyB2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I have since been elected President of the Master Association and your last response is how I read the situation as well. The problem is in helping one of our subassociations see it. They are set on the idea that since each sub is a corporation and the Master is another corporation, one doesn't have any tie to another. Even though it states in our CC&R that when they took possession of their properties they became members in the Master and were therefore obligated to assessments. And the assessments are not excessive. As a matter of fact we are working to try to lower them.
WendyB2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
the Master Association was incorporated first, then the sub-associations were incorporated. The CCR's state that we are all under the Master. Do we need language in the incorporation papers saying that all the subs are brought together under the Master or is it acceptable that only the CCR's state it?

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