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HeatherB3 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I have a question about late payments and collections. Please understand I am using round numbers to make it easier to understand the point I am trying to make.

Monthly assessments = $100
Late fee= 25.00
Interest = 10%
Due date 10th of each month

A member gets behind one month and our management company sends them a coupon in it, it reads is..

Amount due: 125.00 plus interest. Please pay now to avoid any other charges.

Now, just imagine a member, for whatever reason, cannot or does not want to pay for a period of four months. This member gets back on track and wants/ can start paying again. By this time there balance is 590.00 plus interest.

The member cannot pay all of the back dues and interest at one time, but starts to make extra payments, let’s say $150 per month.

Does your HOA keep charging your members an interest and late fees every month that there account is in the arrears? Or do they charge a late fee just once for every month the payment is late?

At my HOA, someone that is in arrears and they make a payment, half of that payment is put towards the late charges and interest, then the rest is put on this month’s assessments. Therefore, their monthly payments are not really monthly assessment payments, but payments toward a debt. I am just curious how others handle this, I find it a bit loan shark. At this rate, no one will be able to catch up.

I just became a board member and realized all this while looking over an account that asked for his fees to be waived. This gentleman had tried for 18 months to get this situation cleared up, to no avail. First of all, this guy was never late, the first payment he made to the HOA was done through his bank during closing and on paper it looked late, even the PM said that because I dug around I found a mistake in the accounting system. He never recieved a late notice for 18 months, and no one would listen to him and his pleas for almost 18 months after that. After I became a board member, he came to my house and explained and we both looked over his account, and low and behold the management company was the one to blame. We have since gotten this cleared up, but the liens on his house remain with a release of lien.

But after saying all that, we have over 40% of our budget in payments that are in the arrears, who is to say others are not like this. If I knew that there was nothing that could be done to reduce the debt, I might just walk away. Just like many have had to do.

As a BOD member, I want to propose, to the other BOD members, amnesty for a period of two months, with late fees and interest waived and some kind of repayment plan for some that can’t get it all in at one time.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas for future collection practices to avoid this dark hole? Our last BOD never put thought into any of this and were completely against the idea of waiving anything, EVER. But, it’s time to start moving forward and avoiding bankruptcy of our HOA.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
At our HOA you owe a late fee for every month. Not just a single late fee.

In this scenario, the person didn't pay jan or feb:

January dues $100
January late fee $50

February dues $100
February late fee $50
January late fee $50

$350 total

So if your two months late, you owe a new late fee for every month you fail to pay.

If you cut people 2 months with no late fees, they will always be 2 months late. This will mess up your cash flow. The banks would never cut you this kind of slack for your home or car, the HOA shouldn't either. Because I know if my neighbor doesnt pay, then I'm paying his bills and I'm not a fan of paying for other people's bills.

Dont want to pay the late fee? Dont be late.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
If I knew that there was nothing that could be done to reduce the debt, I might just walk away. Just like many have had to do.


People dont know how to sacrifice anymore. I've had people with iPhones, new cars, boats, HDTV's, all kinds of toys tell me they cant pay the bill.

Well if your going to lose your house, you need to sell something on craigslist or cut the $80 iPhone bill, take out food and get a prepaid phone.

I just have no pity for people who say they cant pay yet have no problem paying other bills.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
This is a difficult issue with today’s economy.

On one side as Steve has mentioned you have individuals who will not have a pot to do you know what; however, rather than give up their fancy cell phone they instead will not pay other items such as HOA or vehicle payments. On the other side you have individuals who are in a difficult situation who have given up just about everything extra and still struggling to make ends meet.

I believe what it comes down to is you and your board knows the individuals you are dealing with regarding this situation. The late fees are above and beyond what is budgeted to operate the HOA and you know what your budget is and what it can withstand.

Another thought might be to make an offer of for the next 2 or 3 months all payments will be applied to the principal amount and if principal is paid in full within said 2 or 3 months then the remaining late fees will be waived. This way if anyone does not meet the criteria they still owe said late fees and in essence the full debt obligation.

Just an idea …

HeatherB3 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
What I mean by "waiving late fees" is those people that are in the arrears, and having them pay only back dues. Not the entire community.

I have a good friend and last night it came to my attention that she is also in the arrears. Problem is her husband lost his job and there is no way for her to catch up the way the system works. I am just thinking that if someone were to sit down with them and look over there account, we might be able to get some of these back dues.

I understand that this is a business and should be treated as such, but the fact of the matter is these people are my neighbors and I am concerned if this amount of late fees continue, our business will go under. I will say this again 40% of what are annual budget is equals the amount of money that is owed by people.

I need creative ways to collet this money, any ideas?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By HeatherB3 on 04/02/2011 7:04 PM

Does your HOA keep charging your members an interest and late fees every month that there account is in the arrears? Or do they charge a late fee just once for every month the payment is late?

Heather,

My Association charges a late fee for every month the payment is late. However, on a case by case basis, the Board has waived those late fees.

Our written policy gives the Board the option of waiving the late fees or not. It is not mandatory that the Board waives the late fees because there is always someone who will try to take advantage of such a statement if it existed. Basically, if the member is willing to explain and show effort of repayment, our Board waives the fees. However, we have a few habitual late payers that always take it to the point of a certified letter and threat of legal action or actual legal action. Those members were waived late fees initially, but because they are habitually late, the Board no longer even considers waiving the late fees.

Have the board be compassionate, but keep it on a case by case basis.

Tim
ElbyJ
Posts: 29
Posted:
Heather -- you are going through what our HOA is also experiencing. I have been the HOA Board President for the past two years and I acquired a "nightmare". The previous board (about 4 years ago) approved a contract with a new management agent. The contract specifies a massive listing of charges against the HOA and homeowners. One of these was the monthly fee of $15.00 (later changed to $20.00) for each month the assessment is not paid. In addition to the monthly fee, our declarations require a late fee of at least 10% per annum on top of that month fee. Issues is the $20.00 monthly fee goes to the management company for processing the late payments and the percentage fee go to the HOA. Each month the company provides the board a listing of overdue homeowners; however, all we see on the report is the amount of the late assessments and our percentage fees. The other fees are not visible to us. Yes, they have a lot more fees -- such as after three months on the listing, they charge the homeowner $50.00 for a title search to start lien action. This is in addition to all the other charges for certified letters, postage fees, and lawyer fees. When I took over we had over $6,000 in overdue assessments on the book, but now we are only talking about $200 - $300. Previous boards did not push the management company to take action, where it was necessary.

For our HOA, we only charge $80.00 per quarter for assessments fees. We finally raised the fees from $75.00 which had been there for the past 12 years. As we have found out, we will need to start raising our assessment fees every year for the next 5-6 years to get money in our kitty to defray costs for common use areas (fences, road, sidewalks, curbs, driveways, etc). Past boards never though about it.

Yes, as of Friday I waived the extra monthly charges and interest fees on one homeowner, since the management company had made several mistakes in their billing and they and the HOA failed in their responsibilities to properly notify all homeowners of the monthly overdue fees. I am also getting ready to do the same for two other homeowners.
LynnH6 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Does anyone know the steps to follow for placing a lien upon a home for non-payment of dues? We have e-mailed, mailed letters, and mailed certified letters with no response. Only 2 homeowners are in arrears and our Covenants require that a lien be placed on the property. We've never had to do this before and I don't know the proper way to do it. Anyone from Texas out there who can help me?
ElbyJ
Posts: 29
Posted:
Lynn --- do you have a management company that takes care of all your actions? If so, that would be their responsibility. If not, my recommendation would be to hire a laywer familiar with liens against properties in support of a HOA. These are actions to exact for a novice to be doing them.
LynnH6 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for your prompt reply! We don't have a management company. Up until now we have been able to take care of things ourselves. And we hate to hire a lawyer because it's so expensive. We operate on a shoestring as it is. But I'm afraid you're right. Thanks!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
I need creative ways to collet this money, any ideas?


1. Write a letter to all owners why dues need to be paid and warn that liens will be placed and they will be charges $xxx for this cost on top of what they owe. If they still fail to pay, legal action under small claims court will happen and wages could be garnished. Include a list of the address of each homeowner and how much they owe, no names. Include a way for the delinquent members to contact you to work something out. Yes, this needs to go out to every HOA member. People need to know the HOA is in trouble. Once the HOA is in "real" trouble from non-payment, you wont be able to hide it. You might as well tell everyone now.

2. Place the liens

3. Start small claims court procedures. The judge will look at their finances and decide how much they can afford to pay.
ElbyJ
Posts: 29
Posted:
Lynn -- Nobody on the HOA board really wants to take out a lien against another homeowner because of overdue assessments, but sometime that is the only thing to do. And in your case, getting a lawyer for this action is the only way to go. Of course, it depends on how long they have owed and the amount. If we are talking thousands, then get a lawyer. If you are talking hundreds -- it may be time to sit down and talk with them one-on-one about the issues. May I guess your community is small and everybody probably knows everybody. As a board you should show concern at times to work these issues out. Management companies can be really cold-hearted when dealing with overdue accounts.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You don't need a lawyer to file a lien. You may want one the first time around to learn the ropes on how to do it but it is NOT required. Some states liens are free to file and other's there are administrative costs. Sending out the certified letter to a member is one of the steps. Also there may be the need to place an ad in the local newspaper in the LEGALS section for an official "PUBLIC NOTIFICATION".

Will give you a warning about lien/foreclosure. Make sure you have the RIGHT address to contact that owner. Their official address is of course the HOA's address. However, there have been a few owners who have fought foreclosure by using the excuse they weren't notified because it's their rental property etc...Just make sure you have the right owner of the property. This may be done at the courthouse by contacting the TAX department. It should be free as long as you know the lot/plat number of the property. They may not go by address but by plat.

If you do hire a lawyer, make sure it is one familiar with CONTRACT/BUSINESS laws. Your dealing with CONTRACTS even if it involves real estate. Hiring the appropriate lawyer for your needs is important. Some specialize in HOA's much like a doctor specializes in podiatry. Ask questions on their familiarity of HOA laws. Be careful when you do hire one. They will charge you for each phone call or email once you give them a retainer.

Liens are filed at your local county courthouse. While your there you may want to go to the records department and verify the copy of the CC&R's they have on record there. You may be surprised at the differences. It may be important to make sure they reflect the rules you have now.

Former HOA President
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
On a case-by-case basis, when requested, we will consider waiving some late fees in order to settle the debt. Please remember -- often overlooked by boards when waiving the fees -- is that there is often a cost associated with sending the late notice. We realized that previous boards in our association almost always waived our $25 late fees when requested, but did not connect the dots to realize that our management company charged the hoa $15 per late notice it sent, so over the years, we had spent over $1000+ on late fee notices alone. When waiving fees, consideration needs to be given for the cost to community or waiving the fee versus the benefit of settling the debt ... it might be a good idea to eat $35 in cost to settle a $400 delinquency, but the same might not me true to settle a $150 delinquency. We now have a policy not to settle for less than actual costs.

That being said, we always require the request in writing (you'd be surprised at how many homeowner just pay the fee versus writing up something) and if a homeowner works with us to make actual payment arrangements, during that period, no late fees are assessed. However, if they fail to meet the payment agreement, they are added back on the account. The homeowner must actually be working with us with prearrangements, not just sending in partial payments on their own.
DavidS36 (Nevada)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Do not let emotions for a "sob story" come between you and the homeowner's dues. The homeowner signed a contract to pay association dues when they bought the home. While some people put their monthly dues last on the list, there is still the legal, contractual requirement for paying. Be sure your Association has a published collection policy and such policy is part of the documents each owner receives when purchasing a home. Liens are a valid part of contract enforcement and provide leverage to collect past due amounts. A contractor (plumber, electrician, etc) will place a lien on a property if the owner does not pay their bill. In most states, a lien must be settled before even the bank can sell the property.

Lastly, I want to add: DO NOT go to small claims court. Why not?

+ Small claims court has very little enforcement power. A favorable judgement does not mean payment.

+ In small claims court, you must state the exact amount owed. Future past due amounts cannot be added on later to the same case.

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