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DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I was wondering what other communities do to enforce vehicle driving and parking regulations. I live in a HOA in which residents continually complain about vehicles exceeding posted speed limits, not stopping at stop signs and parking in ways that violate our documents. Other than the Manager, we have found no effective way of controlling these violations. Our Citizens on Patrol (COP), which is run by the County Sheriff, does not have the authority to cite violators (can't even leave their car during patrol per Sheriff) and only operate about 6-8 hours per day, mostly at night. It is not possible for the Manager to do this, given the workload, and furthermore the Manager is not here after 5PM or on weekends. Discussions to request the County Sheriff be brought in to patrol have not been favored as again, they can't be here all the time and that their coverage and actions might reach beyond just car/truck citations. I thought of proposing we hire an off-duty Sheriff or security guard to patrol the property with authority to hand out "community" citations. Thanks.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Speeding: We used signage and speed bumps. Controversial but it worked for our community.
Parking: We used signage and hired an overnight security patrol 3 nights/week randomly from 11pm - 4am. 3rd violation and you get to pick up your car at the towing company's impound lot.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Traffic Control is the police duty. However, it sounds like your in a county and NOT city. This leaves limited control as most County's do not have alot of traffic enforcement laws. If you were in the city, I would recommend going to the City Council meeting. Once there you would need to request to make an ORDINANCE. Which is a local law. That ordinance could be about the issues you want corrected such as speeding, parking on side of the road, or other violations. However, you may have to work with the CODE department of the city to make sure the new ordinance fits into the city CODE.

We had an issue with parking on the side of the road. The road was too narrow for cars to park on BOTH sides of the road. Our rules stated you had to park in your garage. Many people had multiple cars and not every house had a garage. The road was created when the HOA was part of the COUNTY. It didn't meet the WIDTH requirements of the City we incorporated into. This lead to a serious problem with our Fire Hydrants, garbage pickup, and emergency response. If cars were parked on BOTH sides of the road, then large vehicles couldn't make it through.

I had to go to the city and take a tour with the fire marshall/city representative. We developed a plan of limiting parking on the SAME side of the fire hydrant. Which meant NO parking on the RIGHT side of the road. However, there was another issue. The City required placing "No parking" Signs up every few hundred yards. Our HOA documents FORBID signs other than For Sale/rent. Plus the signs were ugly and inconvenient. I was lucky enough to talk to the City's Code department. He was able to allow us to PAINT our curbs RED with WHITE lettering for "No Parking". He also allowed us BLUE for handicap parking. This way the city could enforce the parking regulations LEGALLY.

This is just a small example of what we did to address our traffic issues. You may want to see what the existing laws are and how to work within them. We also had issues with a local sherrif's office and their patrolling. So I understand the frustration in their limits and in some cases, their competence...

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Really large speed bumps. The kind that will kill your car if you go too fast. It will fix it fast.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
We used increase signage to help keep the speed down.

We include articles in the newsletter about being a careful driver and point out the standard safety stuff - kids run out into the roads.

We started a campaign of posting warning letters on vehicles that violate parking regulations and kept track of them (with pictures). If a third notice had to be used, enforcement procedures started (letters, hearings, fines, etc.).

DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We already have stop signs, speed signs, and slow signs in the community. Parking on the street is not a major issue as most residents have ample parking in their driveway for 2 or 3 cars. Speed bumps have also been discussed but were not approved because, as several of you have noted, residents complain that it damages their vehicle and there is always the issue with emergency vehicles. Being a 55+ community there are no children, except during vacation times. The parking issue is one where we have 150+ parking spaces at a clubhouse but residents insist on parking on the grass areas just to be closer to the building. The parking rules are spelled out in our docs.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By DennisS7 on 04/02/2011 8:32 AM
The parking issue is one where we have 150+ parking spaces at a clubhouse but residents insist on parking on the grass areas just to be closer to the building. The parking rules are spelled out in our docs.

The smartest thing I ever saw done was when a new building was build the developer waited before installing sidewalks. As people traveled in and out of the building, paths were made in the grass. The developer then installed sidewalks where the people were walking.

Perhaps the Association might want to look at expanding the parking lot into those grassy areas.

Tim
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2011 7:17 AM
Traffic Control is the police duty...

Not if the streets are private, such as ours.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
First of all is it a violation of the CC&R's to speed and what are the consequences of violating the speed limit? If it is a huge problem and a violation, contract with one of those traffic control camera companies. They put up one or more of those radar controlled cameras and split part of the fine as their fee.

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BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I'm with Glen. Look first to whether you can actually do anything, and what can you do?

If you really can't do much (ie, no fines allowed), then i suggest you prepare some nice letters of shame, and send them to violators. Do roving patrols with a camera, and take pictures of speeding cars. send letters. the attention will slow some people, the shame might slow others, so some reduction is possible.

EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
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Posted By PeterD3 on 04/02/2011 1:31 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2011 7:17 AM
Traffic Control is the police duty...


Not if the streets are private, such as ours.

Per FL Statutes §316.006 Sect. 2(b)4: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

and ...

per §316.006 Sect. 3(b)5: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PeterD3 on 04/02/2011 1:31 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2011 7:17 AM
Traffic Control is the police duty...


Not if the streets are private, such as ours.

Per FL Statutes §316.006 Sect. 2(b)4: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

and ...

per §316.006 Sect. 3(b)5: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
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Posted By EdC5 on 04/03/2011 7:12 AM
Posted By PeterD3 on 04/02/2011 1:31 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2011 7:17 AM
Traffic Control is the police duty...


Not if the streets are private, such as ours.


Per FL Statutes §316.006 Sect. 2(b)4: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

and ...

per §316.006 Sect. 3(b)5: The board of directors of a homeowners’ association as defined in chapter 720 may, by majority vote, elect to have state traffic laws enforced by local law enforcement agencies on private roads that are controlled by the association.

Oh if only it was that easy.

The costs (salary, signage, road striping, officer costs, insurance, etc.) associated with this "majority vote" are substancial and typically, in this current economy, flat out prohibitive. Nor does the majority vote guarantee the local authorities will agree.

We found speed bumps, a one time cost, to be far more effective as they are always "on duty" which will not be the case with local law enforcement.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Even if your roads are "Private" they still have to have LICENSED vehicles driving on them. Our roads used to be considered "Private" before we incorporated into the city. When we were private we had our own personal street signs made of wood. Don't think we had stop or yield signs. We changed over to "PUBLIC" roads when we adopted the city's water system. The city came in and removed our wood signs and installed their own plus Stop/Yield signs. We had 1 speed limit sign at the one entrance/exit to the community.

Another consideration we had to deal with is making sure the new city installed signs were viewable. We had to cut down some trees so the STOP/Yield signs were seen. These trees/bushes were on common property and took a vote for us to remove them. Some owner's had planted them and weren't too happy. However, that's the price you pay for planting in a HOA!

Because your roads are private doesn't protect them from the laws on the books. You can still enforce call the police to enforce some violations. Especially if the car has no license or causes property damage. You may be able to do something about abandon vehicles as well. Simply call the police and have a meeting with them to find out the laws and options. Maybe there is just a disconnect with your questions and their answers.

Former HOA President

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