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HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello!
May I ask the members on this forum whether they could share with me their ideas and suggestions for a perfect community web platform? I am currently building a system (just finished a prototype/beta release) which aspires to offer leadership and community members a new world of possibilities. I thought that this would be a great place to ask for advice.
Thank you for your thoughts and your time!

PS: I hope the majority believes me that I did not intend to sneak in any promotion.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Idea. Use technology that almost anyone can setup. You wont be living at your association forever, it needs to be simple. People, on average move every 5 years.

I suggest a free forum at:
http://www.freeforums.org/

No setting up your own server, someone else hosts it.

The admin password needs to be shared with another person. So many times you hear of someone setting up an advanced web thing-a-magig, then they get upset at the HOA, eventually move and never give the association the passwords to manage it.
HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Thank you for your response, Steve! You mentioned valid points to pay attention to. Actually, I have built a system on my own, geared to Neighborhood Associations and HOA's which supposed to enhance the online discussions while protecting everybody's privacy. I posted my question since I want to learn more about communication needs within neighborhoods, i.e. I have recently implemented an "Issuetracker" in response to an inquiry of a HOA leader I know in person. Thanks again for your quick reply!
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
I wish that you could promote your community platform. My HOA is looking for this kind of thing.

Ideally:

* Free to use, ad supported ok
* Open source
* Hosted, like that other guy said
* Board e-mail archiving and tracking
* Issue tracking system, ideally with smart phone integration
* Comprehensive reserves and budgeting system, including charts, PDF creation, what-if's
* Full integration with major accounting packages with evangelism to HOA accountants
* Major evangelism and support to HOA managers to encourage/force them to adopt your solution
* Homeowner's forums with moderation, including archiving, search
* E-mail blasts
* Crazy sophisticated login system to support Board Members, vendors, managers, multiple and single unit owners
* Document management system for Bylaws
* Integration with collection agencies, import of collection data, charts, slice-and-dice
* Super support effort with in-person visits to hand-hold and evangelize new Board Members
* Contact manager
* Action item tracker
* Super fun GUI
* Abandoned account recovery, like that other guy said
* Useful even if only one person uses it who may not even be on the Board
* Integration with on-line bill pay
* WYSIWYG editor for meeting minutes, tracks and merges corrections, online highlighting
* iPhone and Android smart phone apps (mobile web pages for "dumb phones")

Well, you did ask for "perfect".

But, no matter what you got, I'm interested ... if you could somehow get the info to me.
HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello Daniel, I asked for perfect and I am glad you delivered your "perfect" list to me! Thanks a lot! I think I am pretty close and I might even surprise you with features you have not listed yet! Anyway, please contact me at animoduro at gmail!
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
As a web developer by trade (16 years), and a long-time HOA member (24 years), I would have to say that the most common problems in HOA communications are not technical, but instead are sociological. Build a forum with the latest and greatest bells and whistles, and somebody will get on the board, discover the forum, and hijack every thread. People will have ISP problems, or computer problems, and not be able to log in. You will have at least one person on the board who for the life of him or her can't do e-mail, much less play with all of the online toys you build into the community website. And they will (and rightly so) complain that you need a degree in computer science to do your job as a director, and it will all backfire.

I get that you're trying to promote your enterprise by not promoting it, so-to-speak, but since I'm not promoting mine at all, and because you asked, I will tell you what the perfect HOA website is:

Basic HTML web 1.0 with nice photos that anyone with basic web skills can maintain. All the governing documents downloadable, including the minutes of every meeting, and a PDF link to every newsletter. A request form that sens an e-mail to the management company, and CC's to the president. That's all it needs to be, and if that's all it is, anybody's son, daughter or grand-kid could keep the content up to date.

The absolute worst idea for an HOA website? An open source, whiz-bang, CMS-type website that can do everything except pick up the dog crap that thoughtless homeowners leave on the lawn website, that needs constant upgrading, is prone to hacking because it is so interactive, requires that the board members be trained, each time there is an election, and in general is so busy and complicated that half the people won't want to use it.

Perfection = simplicity, not sophistication or complexity.

Rob
HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Rob, I based my system on rock-solid OS software and I now feel good about my decision although it restricted me in the beginning. I appreciate all the concerns you mentioned, they are all very true. Since I sensed that I cannot expect HOA administrators to be computer-savvy I have developed an administration panel that can be used by any computer newbie. Thanks for your response!
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
I would be curious ... what are you using to build your system?
HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
I don't want to confuse anybody, basically you can use any of the available OS CMS/Forum systems. Do a search with "review comparison forum cms" and you will get some good sites assessing existing solutions. In any case, you will need to spend a (significant) amount of time to understand the source code in order to add to it in a fashion that allows you to benefit from all the future releases. I hope this helps.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
You won’t confuse me … I was just curious if you were utilizing a CMS or a programming language to build an application.

Thank you.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
That's precisely why I absolutely recommend against any HOA using any sort of open source CMS platform, unless the group is willing to pay a stable, 3rd-party firm for ongoing maintenance, ongoing upgrades, occasional crisis intervention and custom coding when the original custom code is no longer supported by the developer community that works on the core code, or on the flip side, the 3rd-party software modules required to make key features work are no longer supported by either the software developer or new releases of the CMS.

I'm speaking from a long run of dealing with this issue, and no one should gamble with an HOA's key communications by playing with software that seems to be a good deal going in (free), but that all too often quickly becomes an albatross around your neck.

Just so you all know, my company makes a good bit of our income rescuing abandoned, hacked, insecure, broken, open source CMS websites that unsuspecting non-profits bought into. This is just a heads up from somebody who has nothing to gain by cautioning you against this.

Open source CMS software is a plaything for geeks - not a serious business tool - especially not one for HOA's to use to manage people's property and homes.

That's all I'm going to say about this. It's too much like my job.

Rob
HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hi Janet, I use PHP/MySQL since the OS package demanded it. I would have opted for Rails/Groovy if I had had a choice.

Quote:
Posted By JanetB2 on 03/29/2011 11:07 PM
You won’t confuse me … I was just curious if you were utilizing a CMS or a programming language to build an application.

Thank you.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobW on 03/29/2011 11:27 PM

Open source CMS software is a plaything for geeks - not a serious business tool - especially not one for HOA's to use to manage people's property and homes.

I agree with Rob ... I also do web design and programming including Java programming for a virtual tutor. I would not recommend a CMS as a long term association records management option.

HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Rob and Janet, Thanks for your frankness! I don't agree with your concern that a HOA cannot trust well-established CMS systems (like Drupal, Joomla etc.) if the required know-how is available. Although, I share your suggestion for them to consider a 3rd party for maintenance and support requests. Sometimes, HOA's are lucky to have access to a knowledgeable community member who can help out (in exchange for a spot on the newsletter).

Rob, I have created an application/platform that supposed to avoid possible the issues you mentioned at the end of your post. My belief is that HOA's and NA's should not reinvent the wheel again and again (or waste the time of their volunteers). Imagine, you move to a new community. Do you want to put yourself again on a learning curve? Wouldn't it be nice to have a system in place that resembles the one you had used in your old organization as a community leader?

I am interested in getting an idea how much it'd be worth for HOA's or NA's to use a tool that might save them time and nerves in case we exclude income from possible advertisement.
(community size: 100, 500, 1000, 1500 members)

So far, I have appreciated all your great feedback! Thank you!!

Quote:
Posted By RobW on 03/29/2011 11:27 PM
That's precisely why I absolutely recommend against any HOA using any sort of open source CMS platform, unless the group is willing to pay a stable, 3rd-party firm for ongoing maintenance, ongoing upgrades, occasional crisis intervention and custom coding when the original custom code is no longer supported by the developer community that works on the core code, or on the flip side, the 3rd-party software modules required to make key features work are no longer supported by either the software developer or new releases of the CMS.

I'm speaking from a long run of dealing with this issue, and no one should gamble with an HOA's key communications by playing with software that seems to be a good deal going in (free), but that all too often quickly becomes an albatross around your neck.

Just so you all know, my company makes a good bit of our income rescuing abandoned, hacked, insecure, broken, open source CMS websites that unsuspecting non-profits bought into. This is just a heads up from somebody who has nothing to gain by cautioning you against this.

Open source CMS software is a plaything for geeks - not a serious business tool - especially not one for HOA's to use to manage people's property and homes.

That's all I'm going to say about this. It's too much like my job.

Rob

HaJ
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello Daniel, How can I get in touch with you? Thank you!

Quote:
Posted By DanielH1 on 03/29/2011 3:35 PM
I wish that you could promote your community platform. My HOA is looking for this kind of thing.

Ideally:

* Free to use, ad supported ok
* Open source
* Hosted, like that other guy said
* Board e-mail archiving and tracking
* Issue tracking system, ideally with smart phone integration
* Comprehensive reserves and budgeting system, including charts, PDF creation, what-if's
* Full integration with major accounting packages with evangelism to HOA accountants
* Major evangelism and support to HOA managers to encourage/force them to adopt your solution
* Homeowner's forums with moderation, including archiving, search
* E-mail blasts
* Crazy sophisticated login system to support Board Members, vendors, managers, multiple and single unit owners
* Document management system for Bylaws
* Integration with collection agencies, import of collection data, charts, slice-and-dice
* Super support effort with in-person visits to hand-hold and evangelize new Board Members
* Contact manager
* Action item tracker
* Super fun GUI
* Abandoned account recovery, like that other guy said
* Useful even if only one person uses it who may not even be on the Board
* Integration with on-line bill pay
* WYSIWYG editor for meeting minutes, tracks and merges corrections, online highlighting
* iPhone and Android smart phone apps (mobile web pages for "dumb phones")

Well, you did ask for "perfect".

But, no matter what you got, I'm interested ... if you could somehow get the info to me.

DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
People think that the target customer is the HOA but the real target customer is the HOA manager. If the manager doesn't use the system, the value is limited. Managers produce a ton of HOA information (like budgets and collections). If the manager doesn't use the system, a volunteer needs to input/transcribe the manager's data into the system. That gets old really fast and the system is abandoned/out of date within months.

People denigrate free solutions but, at the end of the day, only a very small group of management companies will ever adopt a non-free solution. Managers aren't very technology savvy. They aren't used to paying for software. Unless you go pitch to them directly and get them where they live, most aren't going to adopt it or even be aware of it. If you have a free solution, you've got a fighting chance to get adoption without the overhead of doing in-person sales pitches.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DanielH1 on 04/01/2011 2:47 PM

People think that the target customer is the HOA but the real target customer is the HOA manager.

Daniel,

Although I agree with the rest of your post, that it needs to be easy to update and to upload documents to, there are many Associations that do not have managers.

I believe the target is the end user. Based on my own site, I'm discovering that the majority of the end users are potential buyers, followed by members of the board, followed by actual members of the association (discounting the spammers of course).

Could be we're doing something wrong with the site or that the membership is happy with how things are working that they don't bother to look at the site. Those are the stats on our site.

Tim

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