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JeffG6 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I need assistance from all you experienced Board Members I'm sorry this is so long but I need to make sure we're handling this correctly.

I am the President of our HOA and our BOD has finally decided to enforce out covenants. For years the board has let the CC&R's go without enforcement because we didn't have a set fine listed in the Bylaws so no one was sure how to enforce them.
In our Bylaws as shows below under section (ii) is says we can levy fines: "Abatement and Enjoinment. The violations of any rule or regulation accepted by the Board of Directors, or the Breach of any Bylaws, or the breach of any provision of the Declaration, shall give the Board of Directors or the Managing Agent the right, in addition to any other rights set forth therein, (i) to enter the lot on which, or as to which, such violation or breach exists and to summarily abate and remove, at the expense of the defaulting lot owner, any person, structure, thing or condition that may exist therein contrary to the intent and meaning of the provisions thereof, and the Board of Directors or Managing Agent shall not be deemed guilty in any manner of trespass, and to expel, remove and put out, using such force as may be necessary in so doing, without being liable to prosecution or any damages thereof; (ii) levy fines against the Owner for the enforcement thereof; and (iii) to enjoin, abate, or remedy by appropriate legal proceedings, either at law or in equity, the continuance of any breach. The Association shall be entitled to recover attorneys fees in any lawsuit brought to enforce these Bylaws and the Declarations."
After speaking with another HOA President and our management company we agreed to do the following:
(Since we're new to this and limited on time we've hired a company for 3 months to do daily patrols M-F reporting Covenant Violations until we start getting things under control)
* 1st Violation - Hand delivered or attached to front door by hired company with a Friendly Reminder of the Violation, giving a 1 week deadline to correct issue.
* 2nd Violation - Friendly notice mailed by Management Company to Homeowner reminding them this is the 2nd Violation, 1 week deadline to correct issue and warning that 3rd violation results in fine.
* 3rd Violation - Mailed by management company with a $25 fine and educating them of what violation needs to be corrected and a 2 week deadline.
* 4th Violation - Mailed by Management Company with a $50 fine, education of violation and another 2 week deadline.
We notified homeowners that fines not paid and violations not corrected by deadline can result in lien being filed on their property and after 4th violation that 10% interest will be added to their assessment amount weekly until paid. At $500 will be sent to collections.

We hate to police our neighborhood but it has to be done. I have to fix a couple things on my own property this week because we weren't enforcing things so I got lazy as well.

I received an email this morning from a Homeowner wanting this fixed and that fixed, but I've never seen them at a Homeowner Meeting. He says charging the interest to the amount is Illegal per Oklahoma Real Estate Law, but I don't see this anywhere. Can anyone verify if we are going about this the right way?

Thank you for any help you can offer or insight
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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He says charging the interest to the amount is Illegal per Oklahoma Real Estate Law, but I don't see this anywhere.


A quick look revealed in Oklahoma the interest rate cap is set at 45% per annum. Not sure about specific real estate laws. You will need to do some google-ing. See laws pertaining real estate or condominium laws.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Couple of things...

First, you need to check your state statutes and governing documents concerning whether or not you can place a lien on a unit for failure to pay fines. There is a trend across the U.S. to prohibit this practice, and to limit liens to unpaid regular assessments (dues), special assessments, and reimbursement assessments.

Second, your governing documents may (should) spell out exactly the procedure to be used in fining homeowners. Somewhere in there you may need to include setting a hearing date for a meeting with the board to discuss actions the board can take for continuing violations, or for failure to pay the fines.

Third, I would mail every communication with any homeowner concerning fines. I'm skeptical about hiring an outside party to hand-deliver or attach fine notices on their doors. I'd consult an attorney on all of this, prior to getting too much farther along in this.

Rob
JeffG6 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our HOA Management company agreed that filing liens on any owed balances through the HOA is possible as these are assessment's owed due to violation of agreed to CC&R's. The hiring of the company is just temporary until we get CC&R Violations down since we're all volunteers with full time jobs and don't always have the time to spot these violations it only makes sense as an initial strike against these violations but it's not a permanent expense.

The biggest concern is the interest or additional assessments charges on unpaid fines. After speaking with another local HOA President this is exactly how they got their violations under control. As a matter of fact they keep records of violators that got the Final Notice with $50 fine and if they violate again for the same offense even a few months later they immediately go back to the Final Notice with another $50 fine. I just want to make sure we're getting everything done properly and not BREAKING any specific laws in the process.

Thanks again for all your help.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Hmm...

It's really important to use the correct terminology when discussing these things. A fine is technically not an assessment. A fine is an arbitrary penalty leveled against a homeowner by an association for violating a rule, regulation or agreement. An assessment is a financial obligation regulated and defined by state statute, or corporate or civil code. The right of an association to levy an assessment is established by law, while the right of an association to levy a specific fine for particular violations of rules, regulations etc. is subject to challenge in court.

When you say that you're all volunteers with full-time jobs, that's pretty standard for all of us here. Your management company may not have a handle on the difference between fines and assessments, by the way. You need a legal opinion on this.

Just my 2 cents.

Rob
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It's great that you do have a system for levying fines for violations. Most HOA's don't have this in their documentation and try to force fines anyways. It is helpful and you may want to verify that this is indeed in your FILED documentation on RECORD. This can be done at the Records department at your LOCAL COUNTY courthouse.

However, with that said...Fines usually can NOT be the basis of a foreclosure or liens. ONLY unpaid dues or special assessments can be enforced. The HOA can add on accrued late fees, legal fees, and interest. The interest part is where your most interested in. Our documentation spells out the specific percentage amount we can levy. It's 6% of the amount owed. There also can be wording similar to how credit cards charge their interest. Such as "Prime rate on this day plus .5%" etc... Each state has their limits on the amount of interest you can charge. If it's too much interest the court will toss it out. It's best to keep an eye on the Prime lending rate to gauge what may be appropriate. Monitor what credit cards charge on average as well. This should give you a good range to know if your inline.


Former HOA President
PamelaB2 (Missouri)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Does your covenant say interest can be charged? Your covenant trumps by-laws.

OKLAHOMA INTEREST RATE LAWS
*Interest rates in the state of Oklahoma are dealt with in Title 15, Chapter 6 of Section 266. § 266. Legal and Contract Rates of Interest Pursuant to Section 266, in the absence of any contract concerning the rate of interest, the parties may not exceed a lawful rate of six percent (6 %) interest provided under this Section. Furthermore, the parties may agree to any rate, as authorized by law, in a contract they agree upon. (Your covenant would be your contract. Does your covenant even state that the HOA can charge interest? If so, does it state a percentage? If it specifically says the HOA can charge but yet, does not give an amount the HOA board can charge only 6%, under OK law, no matter what your by-laws state.)

According to Section 3 of Article XIV, Oklahoma Constitution, any person taking, receiving or charging a rate of interest greater than that allowed will forfeit the entire interest. Moreover, any person or his/her legal representative can recover double the amount of usurious interest paid to any person, firm, or corporation.

Further, check to see if your covenant actually allows for “late fees”.
PamelaB2 (Missouri)
Posts: 16
Posted:
An Oklahoma HOA attorney advised that in Oklahoma there is an amount that can be charged pre-judgment and if a judgment is won a post-judgment amount. The post judgment amount can only be charged if the HOA takes the homeowners to court and is given a Statement of Judgment from the court, that they can then use to file a lien.)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/index.asp?ftdb=STOKIN&level=1

(Click on the current year)

2012

Prejudgment Interest Rate 0.05%

Postjudgment Interest Rate 5.25%

TerryB6 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 38
Posted:
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Posted By PamelaB2 on 04/28/2012 6:03 AM
An Oklahoma HOA attorney advised that in Oklahoma there is an amount that can be charged pre-judgment and if a judgment is won a post-judgment amount. The post judgment amount can only be charged if the HOA takes the homeowners to court and is given a Statement of Judgment from the court, that they can then use to file a lien.)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/index.asp?ftdb=STOKIN&level=1

(Click on the current year)

2012

Prejudgment Interest Rate 0.05%

Postjudgment Interest Rate 5.25%


Actually in our HOA, it's filed in County Court that in the event of conflict, the Bylaws trump the Covenants...
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By TerryB6 on 11/13/2012 6:14 AM
Actually in our HOA, it's filed in County Court that in the event of conflict, the Bylaws trump the Covenants...

If it truly does and it's not a typo, I doubt it would stand up to a court challenge. The Covenants are the WHAT that the homeowners agree to when they purchase the By-Laws are the HOW the Covenants are to be administered. For instance if the Covenants prohibit sheds the By-Laws cannot OK them.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TerryB6 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 38
Posted:
You are correct sir, my mistake. The restrictive covenants control. Thank you.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jeff

First, I think your fine schedule is too soft. Six weeks after being notified of a fine i have only accrued $75 and what happens after that? that isn't very punitive...

As to collections on fines, Melissa is right (did I say that?), you can't always lien for fines so I think that is a question you should put before your attorney, and quite honestly i would lay the whole plan in front them them to make sure they are ok with it. However, some states (mine), do allow fines to be liened. If you are not able to lien you have some recourse, first depending on your small claim court laws you could go to small claims court and get a judgement. a court judgement is usually lienable. You could also send them to a collection agency, folks tend to perk up when their credit is on the line.

Finally, you do have the ability to enter the property and fix the problem. I would check with your attorney on whether your documents are sufficient enough to justify a mechanics lien, meaning once you fix the problem as a contractor you can place a lien on the property for the amount you spent to fix.

A lot of options, but i would encourage you to go over them with your attorney. Good Luck.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Everyone is aware that this thread started over a year ago.
Was reactivated a little over 6 months ago.
Was reactivated again today.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
hmmm...i am now!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By BradP on 11/13/2012 8:38 AM

As to collections on fines, Melissa is right (did I say that?),

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryS31 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 1
Posted:
The interest rate charged on past due items should be spelled out in your By-laws or Deed Covenants; i.e. ?(amount)of % above prime rate, or some such language. Consult your documents to see the interest on past due accounts language. Just be sure that the interest charged agrees with your By-laws or Deed Covenants so there is not a legal recourse due to the calculations of the interest charged.

I would ask the member who believes it is illegal to charge interest on past due amounts to produce the information/reference in the Oklahoma Statutes, in writing, that is the source of his statement.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Mary,

good information and welcome to the forum.

It's typically best not to reactivate an old thread (over 3 years for this one).
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Posted By GlenL on 11/13/2012 8:45 AM
Posted By BradP on 11/13/2012 8:38 AM

As to collections on fines, Melissa is right (did I say that?),


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

a stopped 24 hr clock is only correct ONCE a day

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