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ValerieM (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I am a new HOA Board member. At my first meeting this month, a Board vote was taken to amend the stain color of the mailboxes (the Restrictive Covenants already addressed this subject).

The Restrictive Covenants state that no change can be made without a 75% vote of the homeowners. I did not vote and when I explained why, I was ignored.

The new guideline is going to be posted in the newsletter sent out by the Board. Since the vote was illegal (?)/invalid, I don’t believe the Board can require the homeowners to make this change.

Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
A specific color is stated in the CCRs?

What is stated in the CCRs?

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
you should make sure your objection becomes part of the minutes
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
People don't understand sometimes a "No vote" means a vote. It's best to vote "No" than NOT at all. This is why HOA boards get away with so many things. That is because members who choose NOT to participate or even register their vote "yes/no" is pretty much saying "Yes".

It doesn't matter as long as there is a majority vote. You might have lost this vote mostly due to being in the MINORITY this time. I suspect mostly due to the fact of the non-participation of general membership. Which means the majority vote of the board ruled since they represent the general membership.

Next time just don't state why you don't want something, get OTHER members to agree with you and speak up. The way to "win" in a HOA is with MAJORITY vote and PARTICIPATION.

Former HOA President
ValerieM (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you very much for the responses. Here are my answers/comments:

SusanW1: The Restrictive Covenants specifically state that any new mailbox must be identical in design and material as the original one installed by the Developer. It goes on to state the name and number of the Sherwin Williams stain to be used. It also states if that stain color is no longer available, then the stain color closest to it must be used. The stain color voted on is an entirely different color, by the way.

JohnB26: Thank you, I did ask the Secretary to note my objection and I will make sure it appears there.

MelissaP1: That is a good point that not voting could be tantamount to a vote. When I abstained, I made it clear why. The other Board members sat silent and looked to the President for comment. He did not reply.

I’m confused by your remark “It doesn't matter as long as there is a majority vote.” There was majority vote with the Board, but they do not represent 75% of the homeowners, so how are they legally able to do that?

When an amendment to the Code of Regulations (By Laws) has been suggested (this document also states that a 75% homeowner vote is required), the issue has been placed on a ballot and voted on either at the annual meeting or by mailing ballots to all the homeowners. If 75% do not vote, then the issue is tabled.

WillR (Michigan)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Good luck getting your objection in the minutes. Remember the board has to vote on the minutes. Reminds me of the quote" dam the torpedo's full speed ahead". Rules are meant to be broken and only fools follow the rules
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The board exceeded its authority. The motion conflicts with the CCRs - therefore it is null and void and should be declared so by the president. The minutes of the original meeting should note that in the margin before the minutes are approved.

The time to speak up when this happens next is at the motion. Call a point of order and state your case. If the presiding officer continues on with the motion in spite or your evidence, then shame on him/her. The Board is putting itself in liability by doing something like this.

Never abstain from a vote unless there is VERY good reason. You should have vote€d NO and reiterated your reason.

Now . . . having said that. The CCRs need a real looking at. For the CCRs to lock in a specific color is, IMHO, micro managing and does not consider changing times.

Let the members establish an ARC and let them decide a choice of colors for members to choose from.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I apologize for any confusion on my post. It was done after coming off third shift...No sleep...Anyways, the BOD is responsible for approval if someone was to want to change the color on their own accord. However, for creating/generating the change is a bit more tricky.

Color changes would fall more under the ACC than the CC&R's or maybe even the by-laws. By-laws can be changed or modified by passing rules in meetings as long as it is agreed this is acceptable and posted in meeting notes by board members. They then must pass this information out to the general membership if they do make this change. By-laws are just more or less reflect the culture of which the HOA members agree.

I would say the board did have an okay to make this change. However, the general membership has the right to call a special meeting if they so choose to stop this change. We changed our color scheme over the years due to the availability of the color schemes. Seem those darn paint companies change their color pallet every few years or so...

Former HOA President
ValerieM (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks, MelissaP1, for the clarification and your time spent helping me.
ValerieM (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you very much SusanW1 for interpreting my concern in such an easy-to-understand way. I have learned from this incident and will vote "no" if circumstances such as these arise again and I will state my case.

This was my concern, exactly, that the Board is subjecting itself to liability. I also intend to ask at the next meeting if all members have READ the governing documents. Apparently not considering what happened.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Valerie - does your board or documents call for an Architectural Restrictions Committee? (ARC) or is the board conducting and granting permits
ValerieM (Michigan)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I'm sorry I didn't notice your question sooner. The Code of Regulations states that committees may be formed, but does not specify any specific committees. The board does not involve themselves with granting permits. They expect any changes to be in compliance and only act when there is a violation.

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