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SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Hi all, this is a state-specific question, but can fines for violations of the neighborhood's covenants, By-Laws and/or rules ever transfer to assessments if they are not paid?

For example, if a homeowner is fined for a violation and ignores the violation for a term of six months, a year, etc, with accruing interest, does that amount ever get added to annual assessments or does the HOA eventually need to seek a judicial decision to claim the money owed and start the lien process?

Another question, if the HOA assesses and makes a repair to a home, does that cost translate into an assessment that the homeowner must pay?

Thanks,
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
SayA, read your governing documents. In my association in Colorado the governing documents clarify assessments:
"Assessments may include, but are not limited to, the annual (regular) assessment, special assessments, late charges, interest, fees, fines, attorney fees, collection costs and court costs. All costs related to a delinquent account shall be assessed to the property and paid by the owner. The Declaration (Covenants) establishes that an assessment is a continuing lien upon the property and a personal obligation of the owner."

For the repair of an owner's property I recommend first getting a Court Order, otherwise you may be trespassing. The Court Order can allow assessment against the property.

So I think the short answers would be YES.
SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Roger, thanks.

Fyi I reviewed the neighborhood's Covenants and By-Laws, and they make no formal statement that fines become assessments, but NC state law (Chapter 47F-3-107.1) states that as long as we follow the formal fine process, "such fines shall be assessments secured by liens under G.S. 47F-3-116", which outlines the lien process.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It depends IF fines are documented in your documentation to charge. Alot of HOA's do have policies such as "$20 for leaving garbage cans out on days garbage isn't picked up" ETC... However, unless that is IN the CC&R's it's most likely NOT enforceable when push comes to shove. I consider Fines similar to "Speeding tickets" and Dues/Assessments like "TAXES". Fines have to be agreed upon to charge before they could be assessed.

As for the HOA doing the work for a homeowner to be up to code, that IS a reason for a lien. If the homeowner's house needs painted to be an approved color, the HOA CAN paint that house and charge the owner for the work. If that owner doesn't pay, then the HOA can lien the owner the amount owed plus legal fees.

Former HOA President
SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thanks Melissa, the Board does have the right to fine "a reasonable amount" up to $100 for violations, plus interest and attorney fees if it comes to that. Since fines are not the same as assessments, I was looking for clarification when fines can become assessments, and I was able to find that connection in the state law thanks to the posts here, but any action will eventually be with attorney advice - we have a rather serious situation we are dealing with now.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
SayA,

Is the serious situation the guy parking autos in his rear yard? That to me is not that serious of a situation that the Board can't take the time to verify what you want to do through the Associations attorney. Yes the Association will need to pay for the advise but based on your previous posts, the Association should be positive that they are not violating due process.

BTW: I consider a serious situation one that involves safety.

Tim
StaceyA (North Carolina)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I have a similar question reagarding fines. Is the HOA allowed to apply money received for assessement/dues to fines. For example, if you have a fine on your account for grass...the HOA will apply the money you sent in for you annual assessement/dues towards the fine. What if you are disputing the fine? Does anyone know if this is allowed...are they not two seperate issues. Also, the HOA maintains that homeowners account is deliquent and will not allow them voting priveleges.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Stacy,

Fines for violations are separate and in addition to your annual assessments. Paying one will not reduce the other.

Most States, but not all, will allow the fines to be considered as additional assessments which enable the Association to file a lien on your home for unpaid fines. Some States will only allow Associations to file a lien based on annual assessments and not for fines.

Every Association should have some due process that has to be followed when placing fines. Unfortunately, not all do. To dispute a fine a member would request a hearing with the Board of Directors. If the hearing is refused or the member does not agree with the results of the hearing, the member can consider taking the Association to court over the issue. If this happens, the loser typically pays all legal fees and court costs for both sides. Therefore, one should strongly consider all other avenues first.

If you are disputing a fine, State laws would apply. Typically the fines stop during the dispute. You would need to check your laws and governing documents. Note: if you lose the dispute, the fines might be backdated to the original date (basically as if the fine never stopped).

Hope this helped answer your questions.

Tim

SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
The "serious situation" is that the house in question has about $40k in repair work that it needs that can be seen/assessed from the street; along with the yard, the house is literally falling apart, with windows and trim falling off. The parking was one issue, but the neighborhood is trying to figure out what to do - the HOA is generally hands off, and this is an instance where it needs to set a standard.
SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Stacy, in reading the NC laws, I can tell you that in NC monies you pay to go assessments first, then fines. Also, you can request a hearing for any fines to dispute and you can't be fined before a hearing plus 5 days after a final agreement by the Board of committee. Unpaid fines can become assessments with time however. I don't know the details of your issue, but if I were you I'd ask for a hearing and see if you can explain the situation, and ask the Board to waive the fines in this case.

This might help - http://www.heathfieldneighbors.org/Docs/NC%20HOA%20LAWS.pdf

http://www.hoa-nc.com/StateLaws.aspx
BrianK1 (Colorado)
Posts: 54
Posted:
Our small Association doesn't have an escalating schedule of fines, or a management company to administer the process of notification and holding hearings.

Our documents say that a violation of a rule or regulation that results in damage to the common area, gives the Board the right to add repair costs to the assessment, after notice and hearing.

In our case, the serious situation is dog waste, which is a health and safety concern. City Code Enforcement will find a violation only if there is an excessive amount of dog waste, 20 piles or more.

Our landscape maintenance company threatened to cancel their service contract if the problem of dog waste wasn't taken care of. So far their complaints were verbal but have the potential to become documented complaints.

Having documented City Code violations only, or combined with lawn service company complaints, I feel that the Board would be justified in adding to the property owner's monthly Assessment, the expense of hiring a pooper-scooper service.

The scooper service fees vary, from weekly scheduled visits to one-time pickups. The Board would have to decide how much scooper service is appropriate for the violation.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SayA on 03/16/2011 7:31 AM
The "serious situation" is that the house in question has about $40k in repair work that it needs that can be seen/assessed from the street; along with the yard, the house is literally falling apart, with windows and trim falling off. The parking was one issue, but the neighborhood is trying to figure out what to do - the HOA is generally hands off, and this is an instance where it needs to set a standard.

I suspect that if the individual can't afford to maintain the property that they won't be able to pay the fines. Is the Association willing to foreclose on the members home? I ask as once you start fining and nothing happens this would be what the process would be. I'm not saying don't fine, I'm saying look at all aspects of the issue.

Has anyone tried to be a neighbor and find out what is happening with them and why the repairs aren't being made?

Tim
SayA (North Carolina)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Yes, the situation is that the owner just doesn't care, and really doesn't like his neighbors. The HOA is looking at the situation as how best to move against the owner as the house is literally falling apart, thus different things we may need to do, possible solutions. The owner has been warned and pleaded with for six years now and the problem has only gone from a nuisance to a real issue.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Try this approach: Send a letter or speak to them in person either way. Convey to them that the HOA is willing to make the necessary repairs to the home and hire a contractor. If they are agreeable to that, then ask them if they would like to choose a contractor or let the HOA hire their own contractor. (This is a COMPROMISE tactic just in case).

However, if that doesn't work then let them know the HOA plans on hiring their OWN contractor at the homeowner's expense. So now it is THEIR choice if they want the HOA to go through the expense or they choose a contractor out their own pocket of their own choosing.

This gives them the sense of some control or power which might make the pill go down easier. Most likely the owner will be quite disagreable either way. This is when let them know about the Lien process and how it will work IF they choose NOT to pay the HOA's bill. Believe me, they will threaten to sue and throw a big fit. Just don't panic or lose ground. Tell them if they want to sue that is FINE and okay. The HOA will then add the bill as a COUNTER-CLAIM to their lawsuit IF they choose to file one. A counter-suit is cheaper for the HOA and won't have to go through the lien process.

Your HOA better be prepared to pay a licensed/insured contractor and legal fees before trying this approach. The HOA could also ask for volunteers if they are so skilled to do the work. Just charge the owner for materials if that would be an option. There are options in working with an owner like this. It is ALL in the approach...


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