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KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Our CCR's state “By-laws for the administration of the association and the property, and for other purposes not inconsistent with this declaration shall be adopted by the association by concurrence of those voting owners holding at least sixty (60%) of the voting power.”

Our articles of incorporation and CCR’s both state each member shall have one vote.
12 owners – 60% or 7.2 owners (round to 7?)

1 owner is deceased no heirs, bank has not foreclosed so legal owner is still the deceased person. (No one to vote on her behalf)

2 other owners have liens against them and under our current by-laws “owners not in good standing” have no right to vote.

Our state law states:

“by-laws may provide the number or percentage of members entitled to vote represented in person or by proxy, or the number or percentage of votes represented in person or by proxy, which shall constitute a quorum at a meeting of members. In the absence of any such provision, members holding one-tenth of votes entitled to be cast represented in person or by proxy shall constitute a quorum. The vote of a majority of the votes entitled to be cast by the members present or represented by proxy at a meeting at which a quorum is present, shall be necessary for the adoption of any matter voted upon by members, unless a greater proportion is required by this chapter, the articles of incorporation or the bylaws.”

Can we vote with 9 owners - 60% or 5.4 (round to 5?)
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Karen:

You might check your documents again. Usually loosing the right to vote is for something like elections. If it is to amend the covenants which are attached to the property, then generally they still get to vote even if not in good standing. Take care eliminating not being able to vote for items which concern CCR’s and “property”, even if not in good standing they will still have property rights. Have you looked at your state statutes regarding loosing right to vote?

So first … my question is what are you trying to vote on?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
you must always round UP since you need a minimum percentage

you would nned 7 AYES to pass a by-law change even though 2 members would make a quorum
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
2/3 of 9 = 6 or more

majority of 9 = 5 or more

If your bylaws don't speak about quorums and your membership is 9, then 2 people could establish the quorum and mail-in ballots or proxies could be used to reach the voting threshold - IF your bylaws permit both.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KarenT on 03/14/2011 1:12 PM
Our CCR's state “By-laws for the administration of the association and the property, and for other purposes not inconsistent with this declaration shall be adopted by the association by concurrence of those voting owners holding at least sixty (60%) of the voting power.


Note the highlighted. Since your members lose their right to vote when they fall behind in paying assessments then the percentage will be based on how many lot may vote.

For the one member who is deceased, her estate holds the voting power until the bank takes full ownership of the property. As long as the assessments are current, then they are included in the overall number allowed to vote.

So you either have 10 lots or 9 lots with voting power (depending on the one property).

60% of 10 = 6
60% of 9 = 5

QUESTION, do you already have bylaws? The section you cited only deals with adopting bylaws. If you already have them, they might have a different percentage requirement for amending them. If your incorporated, you should also check State Corporate law to see if any changes may have trumped this section of your documents.

Tim
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
The only point Tim makes that I question is this one:

60% of 9 = 5

60% of 9 is actually 5.4, which means 5 is less than 60%

If the minimum percentage required is 60%, and 9 represents the total voting power of the association, then you need 6 votes to win.

But who's counting? (-:

Rob
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
I would recommend rounding up to be safe in case there is someone wanting to throw a tantrum.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Rob and Janet. Good points. I stand corrected. This will teach me to remember that we are talking votes and not simply doing a math problem which would be rounded down.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
LOL ... I almost made that same mistake earlier. The general math rule would be to round down.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

I recently had to counter a recall election against a board member who not only didn't deserve the treatment she was getting, she happens to be the best president we ever had, myself included.

There are only two ways to defeat an HOA recall election in California - the long way and the short way. Since I tend toward a mix of laziness and impatience, I chose the short way, which involves convincing petition signers to officially withdraw their names, face-to-face and one by one, until the total number of valid signatures drops below the magic number of 5%. Once it does, even if it's 4.999%, the petition dies. The people behind it can't simply go out and add more names to it to push it back over the magic number, either - they would have to start all over again.

The long way requires a month or two of campaigning, sucks up a bunch of time and resources, and a tedious election process, complete with secret ballots, independent election inspectors and all the rest. Just thinking about it made me tired and irritable.

Rob

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