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BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
My question regards _age restricted senior 55+ communities_, specifically single family dwellings aka “stick-built” homes (not condo, mobile or manufactured homes).

This article supported what was originally a rumor about resident age survey updates every 2 years: http://www.hoalawblog.com/2011/02/is_annual_certification_at_age_1.html

This link supports what seems to be fact and federal requirements. It is the Housing for Older Persons Act 1999 aka HOPA. http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/hopa_final.pdf

My 55+ senior community requires an age verification survey (document w/ info, copy of proof of age and signature) upon initial occupancy. Residents are not asked to update or verify the original info. There are no requests or requirements by the HOA to update every 2 years. I view these age surveys in my capacity on the rules compliance committee. I have seen docs as old as 1999 that are not verified with a current date. When I asked a BOD member, I was told that there are no updates required - "we don't get younger so once we meet the age requirement, why would we need to verify the info again?". The point was evaded. I'm supposed to accept the spontaneous answer as final - without the BOD member performing due diligence, consult with atty, good faith inquiry with expert or even a simple google search to confirm or deny the merits of the question.

I understand that the original info need not be provided each time according to HOPA. I am specifically referring to what seems to be a (‘must’) requirement in the law for regular 2 year updates in order to retain the exemption from age discrimination and senior only status (by definition in HOPA) as permitted by law.

Are there exemptions from the age survey update every 2 years that I missed?
If none exist, how do I convey to the BOD what seems to be a federal requirement for age survey updates?
Is this important/serious as as I believe it to be?

Would appreciate your comments - thank you in advance.


RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Hi Barbara,

Can you explain what your concern is, exactly?
Is it that you believe people under 55 have moved in?

Rob
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Barbara:

Here is information regarding senior communities from Davis-Stirling:
http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/SeniorCommunitiesAgeRestrictions/tabid/1257/Default.aspx

In order to qualify and keep the qualification as housing for older persons, then said communities are to follow the provisions of the Fair Housing Act:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Housing for Older Persons
Act of 1995’’.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF HOUSING FOR OLDER PERSONS.
Section 807(b)(2)(C) of the Fair Housing Act (42 U.S.C.
3607(b)(2)(C)) is amended to read as follows:
‘‘(C) intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55
years of age or older, and—
‘‘(i) at least 80 percent of the occupied units are occupied
by at least one person who is 55 years of age or
older;
‘‘(ii) the housing facility or community publishes and
adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate the
intent required under this subparagraph; and
‘‘(iii) the housing facility or community complies with
rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy,
which shall—
‘‘(I) provide for verification by reliable surveys and
affidavits; and
‘‘(II) include examples of the types of policies and
procedures relevant to a determination of compliance
with the requirement of clause (ii). Such surveys and
affidavits shall be admissible in administrative and
judicial proceedings for the purposes of such verification.’’.


If you do not follow a potential problem you could face in the future is if someone really likes your community and they do not meet the qualifications, they can request to review your surveys and affidavits. If you cannot provide them, then potentially you cannot limit the age restriction for someone to purchase or live within your community.

Without proper documentation if someone files a judicial proceeding, then how do you plan to fight against any such potential litigation?

BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Thank you Rob & Janet.

Yes, we are concerned with BOTH underage temporary or permanent guests & residents. This is permitted in DS act and our CCR's that visitors are permitted 30 days without registering. If they are here more than 30 days, they 'must' register and may not stay more than 60 days in a calendar year.

The underage occupants range from infants, school age children, college students & adult children & grandchildren under 55 years of age. When the rules committee is aware, there is a start date of residency recorded by the area monitor. When over 30 or 60 days, letters are prepared and sent to the owner with a notice of violation, CCR reference, what must be done to correct with a date of correction required. This also includes notice that the BOD will hear the matter if requested.

An owner or resident is obliged to comply with with the CCR's. When this is not honored, the compliance committee is in place to monitor and enforce non-compliance. So, because it is impossible to have 100% compliance, 100% of the time, the age survey updates would support the HOA's reasonable efforts of having done what it could to comply with the laws.

Yes, I am concerned that if someone declares age discrimination, we would be at risk with our 55+ exemption. I'm reading the HOPA age survey update requirement as a routine like a census - performed every 2 years. It would be a separate procedure from the other requirements - is that accurate?

Why not act in a proactive manner and satisfy the requirement with 2 year age survey updates?
To me, this would display good faith and voluntary compliance with the law - it may/may not assist us if we were to be challenged. To me, handling the situation at our convenience in a voluntary manner is much preferred than scrambling and back-tracking with time deadlines & attorneys if the Fed Gov't were to become involved. Self governing is more desireable and manageable than government review, imposition and monitoring. Once red flags are raised, I'm presuming that it would be difficult to get off the government radar.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Barbara:

You might have your HOA check with their attorney to insure everything is in compliance and how to stay in compliance in the future. If you are not in compliance, then certain items you mentioned in your first two paragraphs above may become unenforceable. Potentially if you are not in compliance and send a notice of violation to a homeowner, they in turn potentially hire an attorney, said attorney requests your documentation, etc. What is your community going to do? Will they be liable for civil money damages as stated in this section?

§ 100.308 Good faith defense against civil
money damages.
(a) A person shall not be held
personally liable for monetary damages
for discriminating on the basis of
familial status, if the person acted with
the good faith belief that the housing
facility or community qualified for a
housing for older persons exemption
under this subpart.

You need to be able to establish:
1) At least 80 percent of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older.
2) That you have published and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent required.
3) That you comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy using reliable surveys and affidavits.

As stated in the link you posted above:
http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/hopa_final.pdf

(c) The procedures described in paragraph (b) of this section must provide for regular updates, through surveys or other means, of the initial information supplied by the occupants of the housing facility or community. Such updates must take place at least once every two years. A survey may include information regarding whether any units are occupied by persons described in paragraphs (e)(1), (e)(3), and (e)(4) of § 100.305.

The sentence bolded above states “must” it does not state maybe, if you want to, possibly 5 years from now, etc. It would in essence be routine and as you stated similar to a census. You might point out to your HOA that the civil money damages information I noted above makes the statement “personally liable”. Again … I suggest checking with your HOA attorney.

DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our 55 and over single family home HOA does collect and update this information every two years. It is my understanding that the HOA attorney has stated that this biannual update is required to maintain our status as an age restricted community.
BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Thanks for your interest & insightful answers, Janet. I appreciate it. Thanks David - what you posted is one more confirmation that 2 year updates are required.

Some of the board members are volitale and overly sensitive which is evident when they respond in the owners forum. It's discouraging. I don't want to be prevented from asking the question. Sensitive board members display anger and are verbally disruptive in the owner forum. Stunned observers are left with the impression that anyone who voices a minority viewpoint, hot topic or a contrary opinion will be crucified. The arguing is not good meeting decorum.

I want to keep the question/topic as simple as possible. I'm also aware from experience not to participate in the argument. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Barbara:

Due to the issue have you thought of maybe just sending a letter to all the board members first instead of during a meeting?

Just an idea … possibly many of the board members may not fully understand the situation and consequences. Once they are made aware they then have the opportunity to fix without potential community uproar. If not fixed, then proceed to open meeting.

BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Hi Janet

This issue has been unanswered for about 4 months. I failed to mention before that I had also forwarded by email an article to the member I spoke with about the survey updates being required. The article was located on our association attorney's website - there has been no acknowledgement or reply. The article supported my initial conversation & inquiry about the 2 year updates. Currently, I have no confirmation email or indication that the subject is being reviewed or abandoned by the board.

Yes I'm considering options. I considered postponing the issue in this month's meeting. I thought about sending a certified letter. Theoretically, it would be in/on the April meeting notice & agenda under correspondence received and possibly placed on the agenda for discussion under new business (since the board sets the agenda). One minor drawback is the delay of an answer for 30+ days but there is nothing wrong with that. It's not time sensitive or urgent, just serious and important to me. There would be time for review, atty consult, etc.

The other option is to print out the highlights of the law's requirements for the exemption & include the attorney's article. I could print out the email as well. I'd deliver the handout to the directors before the meeting starts. When I speak in the owners forum, they have a written reference and can follow my comments.

I have 2 days to decide which way to go. I'm willing to consider other options.

;)
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Because you have already brought it to their attention with no action as you have noted above, the option you stated in the third paragraph appears reasonable if allowed for your meetings.

Due to your HOA's concept as a Senior Community it is an important issue. Good Luck!

BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I was all set to log off for the night. Glad I checked in. Thanks Janet.

Yes, there is precedent - many owners give the BOD copies of a prepared comment during the owners forum. I've not seen the board refuse this jesture.

Thanks again, Janet. You are a real gem. I appreciate all your comments on this discussion board!

BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I've made the decision to write a letter instead of discussing this in the owners forum. It's just my gut feeling to pursue this alternative.

Thank you for the time taken to respond - it helped me reach this decision. I'll keep you posted.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Barbara ... yes please keep us informed.

That was my gut feeling regarding this issue also, so I would be intersted in how everything turns out.
BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Gut feelings are an invaluable asset especially when it is honored. Today's owners forum was full of concerns about break-ins, security issues and thefts. It was a long meeting.

My question about the federal age updates would not have made any impact because of the more pressing issues about safety and security.

The letter is already drafted and very short. After the passage of time and final thoughts to add, I'll send it toward the end of the month. Thanks again.

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