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TommyH (South Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I recently applied to my ARC to get a fence approved. As our neighborhood is still being developed the ARC is actually the developer, they still control the vast majority of the votes. The initial application was lost and we had to send a 2nd one. On Feb 15th the ARC met and we called the property management co on the 16th to ask what the result was. We received a call back from the property management company and they advised us that the fence was approved and we would receive the approval letter in a few days. We then called the fencing company and they came out a week later and installed the fence. This past weekend we received a letter stating the application for a fence had been denied and not approved. This is nearly 3 weeks later. After speaking with the property management company it appears that they know who the responsible person is that made the call advising us of the approval but have not completely come out and said so or accepted and formal responsibility. We have a bad feeling that they are rounding up the wagons and will pretty soon tell us too bad.

Obviously we are very distraught over this.

It appears that when we put a deposit down and signed contracts back in jan 2010 the fence would have been approved according to the old restriction. We checked because it was a factor we weighed when we decided to build. The builder sent us a copy of the restrictions to review at that time. We have 2 dogs and wanted the fence. Unknown to us the restrictions were changed in April of 2010 and the section on fences was made more restrictive. Technically the fence we built is not allowed. We did not close until Sept of 2010 and were never aware of the change until now.

I realize that the restrictions are what they are but it isn't there some recourse against the Property Management Company? Is is acceptable to wait 3 weeks to mail out a denial letter after an ARC meeting? Another issue is that the developer allowed my neighbor to build a fence on the side of her house (gave a variance) because of a steep hill into the common area she had concerns about. How can they give a variance to 1 and not another?

Any advice would be most appreciated.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Tommy:

First of all I want to state that I understand your dilemma and frustration; however, you did make a mistake in putting up the fence before receiving written permission, so now it is your word against their word. In essence you have no viable proof. In the future this is something to keep in mind always have something in writing for HOA approvals.

Apparently you were not given a copy of the amended covenants before closing. What do the closing documents state with regards to potentially being given a copy of current HOA documents within X amount of time prior to closing? Depending on your state’s laws in some states homeowner’s are to be given current HOA documents prior to closing … in other states there are the issues of due diligence on the part of the purchaser.

My initial suggestion would be to submit a nice letter explaining your situation and because of the situation request a variance (hopefully there has not been any large fight issues yet regarding the issue). With one of the statements in the last paragraph you made, my question would be … have you already requested a variance and been denied?

Also, do me a favor and check your Title Insurance to see if the amended declaration is noted. If the declaration is amended it should be filed with the local county records and which would be noted in your Title Insurance as amended covenants filed. If not noted then maybe they were not filed and potentially not yet viable, then potentially the Title Insurance could be a help with this situation.
TommyH (South Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank You,

I will check on what you have suggested. Fortunately it has not gotten to the point of being a nasty fight yet. I realize now that we should have waited for written proof and not just a phone call. Its a shame but you would expect an organization that's in this business to not make these kinds of mistakes. They are the professionals yet I'm the one who will stand to lose nearly $3,000.

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