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MatL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Having recently obtained control of our 77-unit HOA from the declarant (builder), and having had a turnover meeting in which our owner, 3-member BOD was elected, we are finally able to officially start to do things. I am a director; I was a part of our powerless transition advisory committee for 2 yrs prior to turnover. I am now, however, not completely crystal clear on a few things related to BOD meetings, meeting agendas and voting. I have read our bylaws, which give certain authority -- powers and duties -- to the directors, but I'm unclear as to required procedure. I am a Robert's Rules noob, but learning.

Let me ask a few questions, hopefully illustrating the gist of where I could use some guidance:

- How significant must a decision be that it requires discussion and voting (by directors) in a BOD meeting, which of course is open to all members? -- landscape change?, architectural change?, delinquency action? election of officers? retaining legal council? forming of committees?

- Must a meeting agenda, sent out prior to the meeting, contain all items or issues that will be decided on at the meeting, so an owner will know ahead of time what will be discussed/decided? Or can new agenda items be introduced at the meeting and decided (voted on my the BOD) at the same meeting? In this latter case the general membership will not have had a chance to provide input on the matter.

- What kinds of decisions might need an official "vote" of of the BOD?

- What kinds of discussion between board members is allowed outside of a BOD meeting? What if we all get together for a beer? Do we have to make some official proclamation, witnessed and notarized, that the gathering is not a BOD meeting? What about email communications between board members?

That sort of thing ... Cheers. -mat
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Hi Mat and thank you for stepping forward to serve on your board.

The best advise I can offer is to review the following links:

Oregon Planned Unit Development Law - This is what you are required to comply with.

Fairfax County VA Community Association Manual - although written for VA, it has good info on how community associations should run. Check out Chapter 2 (Administrative Procedures)

A typical board meeting agenda may read as follows:
1. Call to order
2. Approval of minutes from past meeting
3. Treasurer’s report, and acceptance
4. Report of standing committees
5. Report of special committees
6. Report of the management agent
7. Old business
8. New business
9. Member participation (open forum)
10. Adjournment

To try and answer some of your questions:

How significant must a decision be that it requires discussion and voting (by directors) in a BOD meeting . . .

The board meeting is the decision place. Usually the Board meeting should be used for the decision process while delegating the day to day work to a committee or individual member or officer. Examples: The board should vote on all contracts together but could delegate the job of soliciting bids to one member or the MC. The Board should vote on accepting and funding a landscape project but the project itself (including the design, specifications, bids) should be delegated to a committee which may or may not include members of the Board.

- Must a meeting agenda, sent out prior to the meeting, contain all items or issues that will be decided on at the meeting, so an owner will know ahead of time what will be discussed/decided? Or can new agenda items be introduced at the meeting and decided (voted on my the BOD) at the same meeting? In this latter case the general membership will not have had a chance to provide input on the matter.

Yes an agenda should be made and followed. Within the agenda should be a place for an open forum and/or new business. The new business section would be for any Board member to bring up a specific issue while the open forum would be for anyone in attendance to bring up a specific issue for the Board to consider.

A similar agenda is used for meetings of the general membership.

What kinds of decisions might need an official "vote" of of the BOD?

Typically anything other then the paying of existing bills would need an official vote of the Board. You don't need paper ballots, just a show of hands by the Board and recording the vote in the minutes is enough (4 yea 1 nay type of thing).

What kinds of discussion between board members is allowed outside of a BOD meeting? What if we all get together for a beer? Do we have to make some official proclamation, witnessed and notarized, that the gathering is not a BOD meeting? What about email communications between board members?

Lets face it, discussions will happen. My Association typically sends documents/proposals back and forth via e-mail all the time. However, we note this in the minutes at the meeting and make actual decisions on it at that time. The only decisions that should be made without a meeting should be emergency type of decisions. Example: A tree falls on a home or blocks the road - an e-mail vote of calling a service to remove the tree is more prudent vs. calling a full meeting. Just make sure that you record this "action without a meeting" in the minutes of your next meeting.

As my wife says, don't over think situations. If an issue can wait for the next meeting (or for a meeting to be called), let it wait. If it can't wait - then get a quick email or phone discussion/vote.

If your going to meet and have a beer, great. Use your common sense and don't discuss business.

Perhaps Glen can provide his list of policies every association should have (as I can't find mine right now). This will help you plan for the future.

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
New business is a great time to bring in new ideas that need discussion, but no decision.

Its a good time to formulate the next meeting's agenda.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Mat:

Susan has a very good point … you are a new HOA so do not get pushed into making rushed decisions. Discussing and potentially voting on new business at the next meeting will give time between meetings to thoroughly evaluate all pro’s or con’s regarding the issue.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Mat here is the link to the list Tim alluded to: Policies and Procedures

While the list may seem daunting, a lot of them only require a paragraph or two. Since you are a new community I'm assuming apathy hasn't set in yet so you may even get volunteers to help draft it. Along with holiday decorations, rental policy is also missing from the original list

IMHO a collection policy and an enforcement policy should be among the first things the Board should put in place. After you have them drafted, you should have them vetted by an attorney to make sure they comply with your CC&R's and any applicable law. They then should be sent to all of the homeowners so everyone is on the same page. Oh and then comes the hard part. They need to be followed.

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MatL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for the replies. I guess the take away so far is that the BODM (is that an acronym here on this forum?) is the forum in which decisions are made, publicly; discussion and execution can take place outside of those meetings. But the meeting at least gives the opportunity for any owner to participate, to give their opinion and provide input on a matter. Makes sense.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Matt - whenever board members "meet" and there is a quorum, then "business" is being conducted and THAT requires that you be at a duly called meeting. So three of the 5 can't meet at someone's house and come up with decisions.

State the time and day which the board meets. All homeowners need this info. Discussions and decisions MUST be done in front of your homeowners - Whether anyone shows up or not, at least you have notificed them that the meeting is taking place.

AnnD2 (Connecticut)
Posts: 76
Posted:
Have you looked at www.robertsrules.com? Also, there is Robert's Rules for Dummies book which is pretty easy going. The bottomline is that everyone has to be treated fairly and with equal respect. Just because someone holds an "office" in a HOA doesn't mean they are given powers that do not belong to the entire membership as well. Yes, some may sign checks and contracts; but the content of those documents is completely up to the discretion of the entire membership. So, any good board member must balance efficiency with each member's rights....I find that if one asks the simple question, what is fair or how would I feel, if an issue pertained to me, things become pretty clear....Good luck.

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