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CindyS (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Without getting into to many details, I lost my job Jan 2009, I have been trying to pay my HOA dues, by giving the majority of tax return, selling land, and a 3 month temp job. I was behind $3500. Our collection policy states the managment company has to send out a 60 day notice, prior sending out a collection lien letter. I never received the 60 day notice, and the collection lien letter was sent back unclaimed, it was mailed certified mail. They have now put a lien on my home. The added $250.00 collection fee and $475.00 fee. I realize I am behind in my payments, but, I do I have legal recourse, because I didn't the notices before they put the lien on my home? I have lived in my home for 14 years, and because of job loss I am struggling. If I claim bankruptcy, will that wipe this lien? If so, would I continue paying dues, or does the bankruptcy wipe futures dues as well?
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
You should talk to a bankruptcy lawyer or counselor.

Your lawyer can ask the management company for proof that they sent the notice and letter. It seems that they did send the notice and letter but they went to the wrong address or you refused delivery. Since they sent them out to the best address that they had for you, they aren't responsible if you didn't receive them. So, the lien will likely stand.

Your bankruptcy case will decide whether or not you can keep your home. The lien will probably be removed in the course of the bankruptcy. Depending on your bankruptcy, you might be ordered to pay the HOA all, some or none of your debt to it. You may be ordered to pay a lump sum or over time.

If you manage to keep your home, you will have to pay HOA dues from your bankruptcy forward, in full and on time.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Your best bet isn't to hire a lawyer but just work on getting rid of the lien. During the lien process it can or is published in a local newspaper to considered "Public Notice" besides the certified letter sent. It would be an extremely hard issue to prove you weren't notified of the lien.

I would work out a payment deal with your HOA. They can't make the lien go away unless it is justified. However, they won't be ADDING to it either if you continue to pay your current dues. This will atleast stop the bleeding and the lien from gathering more costs.

When I was president, I worked deals with some members who were in a similar bind to avoid being liened on. We had a policy that 6 months behind on dues equal lien. However, IF they were able to catch up and double their dues payments prior to the 6 months being up, we didn't lien. In some cases, if they did that then I would have the late fees waived for those two months. You can't get blood out of turnip and it was best they did pay their dues.

You may ask to work out a payment plan that will work for both sides. Your ultimate goal is to make sure they don't turn your lien into the foreclosure process. In the meantime, you won't be able to sell your home until that lien is paid off. You keep the home!

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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If I claim bankruptcy, will that wipe this lien? If so, would I continue paying dues, or does the bankruptcy wipe futures dues as well?


Your house is a secured debt, so nothing would be wiped. They can just foreclose and take it.

California:
The bankruptcy discharge eliminates your personal liability for the mortgage or HOA dues, but it does not disturb the lien. Thus, after bankruptcy, the mortgage lender or HOA still has its rights in the property, including the right to foreclose if you breach the contract. Failing to make the payments according to the contract is a breach.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Unless you can come up with the $4225 in back dues for the HOA, its likely you will be foreclosed on and loose the house. Because it is a secure debt, it has nothing to do with your bankruptcy.

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