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HerbertH (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I'm not sure if this is legal but our board is tossing around the idea of limiting the number of inhabitants that can reside in a condo. I would think this would be very hard to regulate.
What brought up the subject was a owner took in her daughters family since they had lost their jobs and forclosed on their house. Nine months later they have gained employment and have moved out. The family in question were smokers and their smoking could be smelled throughout the building and in other peoples condo's. The board talked to the family and they limited their smoking to outdoors and one person in the building installed a air cleaner in the common hallway. But now it seems we have a group of owners that are afraid that it might happen again and they want to limit the number of inhabitants in every condo. I think we have yet another resident that has
two grown children that openly dress in long coats and all black attire.
This scares some of the elderly and one resident is complaining about the
number of cars ( 4 ). Our parking pads are not marked they are open to anyone
for parking. I think the board is barking up the wrong tree and should approach the family and talk to the young men in question, along with the complaining residents rather than assign a number of residents to each condo.

any thoughts ?
MariaC (Maryland)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Limiting number of residents per condo: Check with your city's laws. The fire code may limit residents because of the number of available exits from the residence. Public health or other laws may restrict numbers because of square footage per person.

Parking: We've got a similar problem and are trying to amend our Covenants to restrict parking. Your governing documents may allow parking restrictions.

Kids in black clothes: Hey, it's a free country and there are no rules about color choices. Tell the worried folks to calm down. 40-50 years ago, oldsters were complaining about kids with long hair. If the kids are verbally or physically threatening or harming anyone, it's a different story.
HerbertH (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks Maria those are excellent points. I'm sure the Board members have not checked into the fire codes. Your point about the kids ( College age ) is also well taken. I'm old enough to remember having long hair, I am also
old enough to remember my two tours in VietNam. I also remember my old neighborhood where we knew our neighbors and talked to one another. It seems today at least for some people they make no attempt to know their neighbors. They are missing out on a lot of friendships and may be allowing
their imaginations to run wild.

Respectfully
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
We limit the number of people in a condo due to the fire code. Only 2 people in a 1 bedroom and only 4 people in a two bedroom. I don't think we have any 3 bedroom condos, but I have heard there may be one that was combined with part of another condo some time back.
HerbertH (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks Bonnie and Maria: I checked with our local Building, Zoning, and Fire Code dept's and the only regulations in our county are with Public housing. Thanks for the info concerning your reg's.

Respectfully
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Herbert our CC&R's limit occupancy to two people per bedroom including children so the most we allow per three bedroom condo is six. As to your question of whether it is legal for the Board to do something like this, I refer you to O.R.C. 5311.081 Powers and duties of board of directors

(A) Unless otherwise provided in the declaration or bylaws, the unit owners association, through the board of directors, shall do both of the following:

(1) Adopt and amend budgets for revenues, expenditures, and reserves in an amount adequate to repair and replace major capital items in the normal course of operations without the necessity of special assessments, provided that the amount set aside annually for reserves shall not be less than ten per cent of the budget for that year unless the reserve requirement is waived annually by the unit owners exercising not less than a majority of the voting power of the unit owners association;

(2) Collect assessments for common expenses from unit owners.

(B) Unless otherwise provided in the declaration, the unit owners association, through the board of directors, may exercise all powers of the association, including the power to do the following:

(1) Hire and fire managing agents, attorneys, accountants, and other independent contractors and employees that the board determines are necessary or desirable in the management of the condominium property and the association;

(2) Commence, defend, intervene in, settle, or compromise any civil, criminal, or administrative action or proceeding that is in the name of, or threatened against, the unit owners association, the board of directors, or the condominium property, or that involves two or more unit owners and relates to matters affecting the condominium property;

(3) Enter into contracts and incur liabilities relating to the operation of the condominium property;

(4) Regulate the use, maintenance, repair, replacement, modification, and appearance of the condominium property;

(5) Adopt rules that regulate the use or occupancy of units, the maintenance, repair, replacement, modification, and appearance of units, common elements, and limited common elements when the actions regulated by those rules affect common elements or other units;

(6) Cause additional improvements to be made as part of the common elements;

(7) Purchase, encumber, and convey units, and, subject to any restrictions in the declaration or bylaws and with the approvals required by division (H)(2) or (3) of section 5311.04 of the Revised Code, acquire an interest in other real property and encumber or convey that interest. All expenses incurred in connection with the acquisition, encumbrance, use, and operation of that interest are common expenses.

(8) Acquire, encumber, and convey or otherwise transfer personal property;

(9) Hold in the name of the unit owners association the real property and personal property acquired pursuant to divisions (B)(7) and (8) of this section;

(10) Grant easements, leases, licenses, and concessions through or over the common elements;

(11) Impose and collect fees or other charges for the use, rental, or operation of the common elements or for services provided to unit owners;

(12) Impose interest and late charges for the late payment of assessments; impose returned check charges; and, pursuant to division (C) of this section, impose reasonable enforcement assessments for violations of the declaration, the bylaws, and the rules of the unit owners association, and reasonable charges for damage to the common elements or other property;

(13) Adopt and amend rules that regulate the collection of delinquent assessments and the application of payments of delinquent assessments;

(14) Subject to applicable laws, adopt and amend rules that regulate the termination of utility or other service to a commercial unit if the unit owner is delinquent in the payment of an assessment that pays, in whole or in part, the cost of that service;

(15) Impose reasonable charges for preparing, recording, or copying amendments to the declaration, resale certificates, or statements of unpaid assessments;

(16) Enter a unit for bona fide purposes when conditions exist that involve an imminent risk of damage or harm to common elements, another unit, or to the health or safety of the occupants of that unit or another unit;

(17) To the extent provided in the declaration or bylaws, assign the unit owners association’s rights to common assessments, or other future income, to a lender as security for a loan to the unit owners association;

(18) Suspend the voting privileges and use of recreational facilities of a unit owner who is delinquent in the payment of assessments for more than thirty days;

(19) Purchase insurance and fidelity bonds the directors consider appropriate or necessary;

(20) Invest excess funds in investments that meet standards for fiduciary investments under Ohio law;

(21) Exercise powers that are:

(a) Conferred by the declaration or the bylaws of the unit owners association or the board of directors;

(b) Necessary to incorporate the unit owners association as a not-for-profit corporation;

(c) Permitted to be exercised in this state by a not-for-profit corporation;

(d) Necessary and proper for the government and operation of the unit owners association.

(C)(1) Prior to imposing a charge for damages or an enforcement assessment pursuant to division (B)(12) of this section, the board of directors shall give the unit owner a written notice that includes all of the following:

(a) A description of the property damage or violation;

(b) The amount of the proposed charge or assessment;

(c) A statement that the owner has a right to a hearing before the board of directors to contest the proposed charge or assessment;

(d) A statement setting forth the procedures to request a hearing pursuant to division (C)(2) of this section;

(e) A reasonable date by which the unit owner must cure the violation to avoid the proposed charge or assessment.

(2)(a) To request a hearing, the owner shall deliver a written notice to the board of directors not later than the tenth day after receiving the notice required by division (C)(1) of this section. If the owner fails to make a timely request for a hearing, the right to that hearing is waived, and the board may immediately impose a charge for damages or an enforcement assessment pursuant to division (C) of this section.

(b) If a unit owner requests a hearing, at least seven days prior to the hearing the board of directors shall provide the unit owner with a written notice that includes the date, time, and location of the hearing.

(3) The board of directors shall not levy a charge or assessment before holding any hearing requested pursuant to division (C)(2) of this section.

(4) The unit owners, through the board of directors, may allow a reasonable time to cure a violation described in division (B)(12) of this section before imposing a charge or assessment.

(5) Within thirty days following a hearing at which the board of directors imposes a charge or assessment, the unit owners association shall deliver a written notice of the charge or assessment to the unit owner.

(6) Any written notice that division (C) of this section requires shall be delivered to the unit owner or any occupant of the unit by personal delivery, by certified mail, return receipt requested, or by regular mail.

Effective Date: 07-20-2004

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HerbertH (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks Glenn for the information.
The section you highlighted does seem to cover the intent of our discussion. Reading this the board does have the right to amend the Bylaws but would need a vote from the Homeowners. As with so many Condo
associations ours being no different ( 356 units ) it is very difficult to obtain the number of votes without actually going door to door. Thanks for taking the time to help me.

Respectfully
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
We have limits on the number of people who can live in our condos and town houses (2 per bedroom +1). We also limit the number of families to one, since these are single family dwellings.

All of that said, there is another side to this to consider, and that is temporary situations where - such as in the case where a daughter and her children are made homeless by circumstances - it is only natural that they would need emergency, short-term help from parents.

What you don't want to do is to make rules that are so restrictive that something like this, which you would have to admit is a pretty common scenario, is not allowed to happen under any circumstances. There is a live and let live spirit that has to be factored into life in a common interest community, or the quality of life diminishes.

Rob
HerbertH (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Well said Rob. Unfortunately many times the people making the rules don't care to make exceptions for the Quality of life. It is too much work they say, to deal with the exceptions. Thanks for the response.

Respectfully
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
That's true - until it is their children or grandchildren who need help. Then they will either break their own rules, or bitterly complain about how unfair it all is.

Rob

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