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IkeJ (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I pay my HOA dues quarterly. I was late on my dues for the quaeter starting 10/1/2010. I paid the late fees and the assessment for the next quarter on 1/13/2011 before late fees would be assessed for the first quarter of 2011. The check was posted on 1/26/2011.

Today (2/25/2011), I received two letters from a collection agency. The first letter (dated 1/27/2011) stating that the HOA contacted them to collect the remaining payment ($114.50) for late changes and a $90.00 collection charge (dated 12/29/2010) and:

Late Changes $24.50
12/29/2010 Collection cost $90.00
12/30/2010 Title Research $35.00
1/6/2011 Mailings $6.00
1/6/2011 Notice of intent to Lien Fee $225.00

Total $380.50

The second letter 2/9/2011 had the additional charges:

1/26/2011 Collection Cost $90.00
1/6/2011 Release of Lien Preparation Fee $35.00
2/9/2011 Record Notice pf Delinquent Assessment Lien $34.00
2/9/2011 Record Release of Lien $18.00
2/9/2011 Notice of Delinquent Assessment Fee $325.00

Total $882.50

I travel a lot in my job and opened both letters when I got home on 2/25/2011. This is the first time that I became aware of any of the above actions. So, I have a lien on my title and over $850 in fees for a $24.50 late fee. I paid the collection agency to get the lien taken off my title and plan to take the HOA to court to recover that fees. What do I need to know in advance while pursuing an over zealous HOA?

Thanks for any replies,

Ike Johnson
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Sorry I can't help. I just kept thinking we would have a riot on our hands if we tried anything like that. The hightest fee in our unit is under $250.00. People have made statements similar to they better not raise our fees. If they do the directors will pay mine. We have had a raise if assessment fee since 2007.
Our manager even hesitates about placing a lien when an owner is 3 month behind with dues.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing a HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. I would recommend talking to the Management company or whoever is responsible for collecting funds to remedy the situation. Ask them what their policy is. Are you sure it's quarterly payment setup? COMMUNICATION IS KEY.

At this point, you may just call this a "wash" and hope to improve arrangements next time.

Former HOA President
IkeJ (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for the replys.

I should have mentioned that I live in a single family home in an upscale gated community on a lake (which may or may not matter) of which is a small percentage of the properties that the HOA oversees.

And, that I paid the 4th quarter and 1st quarter assessments (and 4th quarter late fees) on 1/13/2011. I just feel that this is a breach of the fiduciary duties of the HOA; or, at least a misuse of power.

I will contact the management company that works with the HOA before filing a lawsuit.

IJ
IkeJ (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for the replys.

I should have mentioned that I live in a single family home in an upscale gated community on a lake (which may or may not matter) of which is a small percentage of the properties that the HOA oversees.

And, that I paid the 4th quarter and 1st quarter assessments (and 4th quarter late fees) on 1/13/2011. I just feel that this is a breach of the fiduciary duties of the HOA; or, at least a misuse of power.

I will contact the management company that works with the HOA before filing a lawsuit.

IJ
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:

I will contact the management company that works with the HOA before filing a lawsuit.

I think this is your only hope, but I dont expect it to go anywhere. Just like car, house, credit card companies, when your late there are penalties. Rarely are any of these penalties "wavied". Only way to avoid the penalty is to not be late.

To ensure my dues are never late I pay 1 month ahead. So I have a 30 buffer to never be late. Its the easiest thing to do.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By IkeJ on 02/25/2011 10:05 PM
Thanks for the replys.

I should have mentioned that I live in a single family home in an upscale gated community on a lake ...

IJ

Maybe this upscale community could consider EFT so you would never have to worry again.

Our middle-class community does!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I did want to mention they were probably agressive due to the fact they only collect quarterly. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. Your late payments may have had an effect on them paying their bills. I know we had to have MINIMUM of 85 members out of 107 to pay our REGULAR monthly bills. In order to get any maintenance or legal items completed we had to depend on the late payers.

If your HOA had too many late payers, they most likely took the action they did to make their bills. It's important for an HOA to have the money on hand in order for the members to receive continued services.

Former HOA President
JoanneW2 (California)
Posts: 37
Posted:
One minor point, I would send any correspondence tp the management company Certified Return Receipt mail pertaining to this topic. I know the burden falls on the homeowner but I do not understand why someone would not send you a notice of default--chekc your documents for this type of requirement.
KcW (Florida)
Posts: 14
Posted:
I got an idea!!!

Pay your bills on time!!!

That is what it is to be ethical. How about them apples?
BobM10 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
If offered by your management company, set up an automatic transfer of funds from your checking account to the HOA.
JoanneW2 (California)
Posts: 37
Posted:
How constructive.
IkeJ (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
After I paid the assessments, the collection agency was directed by the HOA to proceed with a lien on my property. I find that to be particulary egregious.
JoanneW2 (California)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Ike~I must agree. I would send a letter to them and CC the management company. Make sure you get a copy of any release concerning your property also.
BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By IkeJ on 02/27/2011 9:46 AM
After I paid the assessments, the collection agency was directed by the HOA to proceed with a lien on my property. I find that to be particulary egregious.

Hi Ike

Sorry for all the trouble you are experiencing. Sounds like a disconnect between the HOA & the collection agency.

What you can do:

Make copies of your payment - receipts, cancelled check front/back - and forward this to the collection agency. Going on the assumption that the subsequent action is an oversight, ask them to confirm to you in writing that the account has been paid & satisfied, date included. Keep tabs on your credit report.

Anything showing up after the paid date of the past due HOA assessments can be challenged with the collection agency. If they do not change the status on the credit report to reflect "satisfied", keep after them until they do so. All communication ought to be in writing as telephone calls are harder to document.

This site may be of some assistance to you -> http://ag.ca.gov/consumers/general/collection_agencies10.php

Good luck!

JamesO4 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You need to study the Davis Sterling Act. I don't think a condo can lien a property until there are at least 6 months arrears, or $1800.. We certainly follow that rule at my condo.

I hate to have you spend more money, but for a few hundred dollars, you could get a "lawyer letter", and if the lawyer agrees that they are in violation of the Act, you could recoup some money in small claims court.
GaryL3 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I'm not so sure I buy into the suing a HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors argument. When someone like Ike is making a concious effort to make right then shouldn't his neighbors understand? There has to be some relief for mitigating circumstances. It's the people that blatantly disregard the rules and don't pay at all that should have liens, lawsuits and major fines. This guy's trying. Cut him some slack.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I don't know anyone wiling to pay more than their fair share to cover someone else's problem. That problem could range from death to refusal to pay dues. If any members feel simpathetic to another member, they can always group together to pay the amount owed on their OWN dime. It's NOT the responsibility of the HOA to forgive a debt.

This may sound harsh but it's reality. If the HOA has 10 members paying $100 a piece, and monthly bills of $950... Where do you make up that $50? The HOA can't cover it because it ONLY has $1,000. Hence, the HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members... Do you think you want to cough up the $2.50 - $5 to cover the costs of potential bad check fees and other costs associated with being short money? Mind you this is small scale and it's most likely going to be more like $50 - $100 extra in the real world in addition to your $100 dues you paid.

Don't think your going to be so understanding every month nor your neighbors your speaking for...

Former HOA President

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