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SuzanneL (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We have 3 directors attempting to recall 3 other directors. The secretary received the recall, but has refused to let the directors including the president they are attempting to recall see the recall ballots or give a count. The envelope is opened. We suspect that there aren't enough votes so they are trying to collect more signatures because recission forms are out in the community, too. In fact the recall group has been seen going door-to-door asking for more signatures. Of course recission collecting stops once the recall is received. Any advice on how this will affect the recall or what should be done? The board attorney is aware of the situation, but tends to be passive instead of aggresive.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Suzanne:

Are you single family homes or condominium?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
From what I recall in FL statutes if single family HOA recall can be done without a meeting by written agreement or vote of majority of members. If in a condominium then can be done via vote by majority at a special meeting.
SuzanneL (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We are in townhomes and own our land. We are a homeowners association.

The issue isn't how to do a recall. The issue is the secretary who wants to recall won't turn over the signatures they have after the recall has been served so the recall group can continue to collect signatures while the rescission effort is halted because we have been served.

BTW the recallers have lied to get people to sign by stating the dues are going up by $125/month when they are staying the same, we won't have insurance with the new company, meetings were held illegally, etc. The management company has been terminated for cause and is supporting the recallers. This also happened 3 years ago and cost the association $47000. In fact the management co. has taken action against board memebers any time we have had directors start asking questions about the finances or trying to get them to do their job.

There has been an effort to get the facts out, but we have 70 non-resident homeowners who aren't aware of the truth because the terminated mgt. company never sent notices out. Communication is mainly within the community with flyers and the bulletin boards.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Suzanne:

There are certain time frames during a recall. I have bolded some items in the statute that may answer some of your concerns. Under (b)1. Below the recall agreement or ballots shall be served on association by certified mail or by personal service authorized by chapter 48 and the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure. In other words if not by certified mail they have to use a process server. It is not meant to be an easy process so everyday whims to recall are avoided.

(10) RECALL OF DIRECTORS.β€”

(a)1. Regardless of any provision to the contrary contained in the governing documents, subject to the provisions of s. 720.307 regarding transition of association control, any member of the board of directors may be recalled and removed from office with or without cause by a majority of the total voting interests.

2. When the governing documents, including the declaration, articles of incorporation, or bylaws, provide that only a specific class of members is entitled to elect a board director or directors, only that class of members may vote to recall those board directors so elected.

(b)1. Board directors may be recalled by an agreement in writing or by written ballot without a membership meeting. The agreement in writing or the written ballots, or a copy thereof, shall be served on the association by certified mail or by personal service in the manner authorized by chapter 48 and the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure.

2. The board shall duly notice and hold a meeting of the board within 5 full business days after receipt of the agreement in writing or written ballots. At the meeting, the board shall either certify the written ballots or written agreement to recall a director or directors of the board, in which case such director or directors shall be recalled effective immediately and shall turn over to the board within 5 full business days any and all records and property of the association in their possession, or proceed as described in paragraph (d).

3. When it is determined by the department pursuant to binding arbitration proceedings that an initial recall effort was defective, written recall agreements or written ballots used in the first recall effort and not found to be defective may be reused in one subsequent recall effort. However, in no event is a written agreement or written ballot valid for more than 120 days after it has been signed by the member.

4. Any rescission or revocation of a member’s written recall ballot or agreement must be in writing and, in order to be effective, must be delivered to the association before the association is served with the written recall agreements or ballots.

5. The agreement in writing or ballot shall list at least as many possible replacement directors as there are directors subject to the recall, when at least a majority of the board is sought to be recalled; the person executing the recall instrument may vote for as many replacement candidates as there are directors subject to the recall.

(c)1. If the declaration, articles of incorporation, or bylaws specifically provide, the members may also recall and remove a board director or directors by a vote taken at a meeting. If so provided in the governing documents, a special meeting of the members to recall a director or directors of the board of administration may be called by 10 percent of the voting interests giving notice of the meeting as required for a meeting of members, and the notice shall state the purpose of the meeting. Electronic transmission may not be used as a method of giving notice of a meeting called in whole or in part for this purpose.

2. The board shall duly notice and hold a board meeting within 5 full business days after the adjournment of the member meeting to recall one or more directors. At the meeting, the board shall certify the recall, in which case such member or members shall be recalled effective immediately and shall turn over to the board within 5 full business days any and all records and property of the association in their possession, or shall proceed as set forth in subparagraph (d).

(d) If the board determines not to certify the written agreement or written ballots to recall a director or directors of the board or does not certify the recall by a vote at a meeting, the board shall, within 5 full business days after the meeting, file with the department a petition for binding arbitration pursuant to the applicable procedures in ss. 718.112(2)(j) and 718.1255 and the rules adopted thereunder. For the purposes of this section, the members who voted at the meeting or who executed the agreement in writing shall constitute one party under the petition for arbitration. If the arbitrator certifies the recall as to any director or directors of the board, the recall will be effective upon mailing of the final order of arbitration to the association. The director or directors so recalled shall deliver to the board any and all records of the association in their possession within 5 full business days after the effective date of the recall.

(e) If a vacancy occurs on the board as a result of a recall and less than a majority of the board directors are removed, the vacancy may be filled by the affirmative vote of a majority of the remaining directors, notwithstanding any provision to the contrary contained in this subsection or in the association documents. If vacancies occur on the board as a result of a recall and a majority or more of the board directors are removed, the vacancies shall be filled by members voting in favor of the recall; if removal is at a meeting, any vacancies shall be filled by the members at the meeting. If the recall occurred by agreement in writing or by written ballot, members may vote for replacement directors in the same instrument in accordance with procedural rules adopted by the division, which rules need not be consistent with this subsection.

(f) If the board fails to duly notice and hold a board meeting within 5 full business days after service of an agreement in writing or within 5 full business days after the adjournment of the member recall meeting, the recall shall be deemed effective and the board directors so recalled shall immediately turn over to the board all records and property of the association.

(g) If a director who is removed fails to relinquish his or her office or turn over records as required under this section, the circuit court in the county where the association maintains its principal office may, upon the petition of the association, summarily order the director to relinquish his or her office and turn over all association records upon application of the association.

(h) The minutes of the board meeting at which the board decides whether to certify the recall are an official association record. The minutes must record the date and time of the meeting, the decision of the board, and the vote count taken on each board member subject to the recall. In addition, when the board decides not to certify the recall, as to each vote rejected, the minutes must identify the parcel number and the specific reason for each such rejection.

(i) When the recall of more than one board director is sought, the written agreement, ballot, or vote at a meeting shall provide for a separate vote for each board director sought to be recalled.

JcP1 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Old post, but we are in Miami, FL and going through the process. In our case with 250 units and most owners not living there and many not even living the US this 50% signature is impossible. Our participation and general interest is very low, there have been elections where less than 10 owners of the 250 showed up to vote.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By JcP1 on 04/06/2017 12:40 PM

this 50% signature is impossible.

No it's not.

It's simply very difficult.

Starting early to request poxies be sent by email.

If on the Board, setting up an internet proxy vote (no idea of the cost) can increase participation.

Phone calls.

Lots of door knocking.

It's difficult but not impossible.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
As Tim noted it is NOT impossible ... And it is NOT supposed to be easy!!! If it was easy everyone and their dog would be doing it everytime all of us turned around. If it was easy every HOA across the country would be in chaos.

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