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LauraL3 (Arizona)
Posts: 21
Posted:
The annual meeting for our community was held on Jan 30, 2011. There were three openings on the board that were up for election. When the MC mailed out the ballots they made a mistake and stated those who were not current in their dues could not vote. When the meeting was called to order the president state that only residents could run for office so any votes for a owner/non-resident would not be counted. Both of these statements are wrong so a new ballot was to be mailed out by MC. Todate nothing has been sent to the homeowners. Is there something that states when the board needs to be inplace after an election? There were enough votes for two members so they are on the board. That leaves one vacant spot. The MC says they are working on it but nothing has been done. Any advice?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
In our HOA IF you were NOT current in your dues you lost your ability to vote. However, you did NOT lose your right to run for an office. People may not vote for a person who owes dues to a HOA. Limiting voting is another way of enforcement of paying dues.

Former HOA President
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Laura - are you saying that there were 3 vacancies and only 2 valid candidates and so those 2 got "elected" and there still is one vacancy?

So write-ins and nominations were not allowed from the floor -?

AnnD2 (Connecticut)
Posts: 76
Posted:
Actually, you cannot deprive a person of their right to vote or to participate in an election in CT and in most states, even if they are delinquent in their fees....There is a separate mechanism for dealing with those issues that does not bleed into elections....

You can check Robert's Rules for some guidance, but generally, the way it works is that a person remains on the board until the next election at which he/she is replaced. So, it depends on your bylaws when the next election is to be held, if it doesn't actually state when a new board is to be seated. If there is no statement in your bylaws indicating when new members to the board are to be elected and seated, then you will have to do with the old members until a new election. You could lean on your secretary, whose job it often is to help with elections....
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It was in our rules about losing your right to vote if you were not up to date in your dues. We also elected the board but it was the board that elected the officers. Although we voted on the President as a group. It wasn't a position anyone volunteered for openly. Whoever wanted a position got it on the board or officer.

Former HOA President
LoisW2 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Feb. 14, 2011

Justice John Zebrowski, Chair
California Law Revision Comm.

Dear Justice Zebrowski,

Thanks for your work to improve Davis Stirling. I think it is irredeemable. Specifically, it fails to address the concerns of small associations, half of all HOAs in California. It also protects the interests of the HOA management industry to the detriment of actual homeowners. And it fails to provide a practical dissolution procedure. While the commission's work is primarily technical in nature, those of us whose lives have been significantly and negatively altered by Davis Stirling plead with anyone we can for relief from this onerous albatross. You are well aware of the conflicting civil, corporate and other regulations Board members must wade through.

In my personal case, a fellow homeowner in my HOA has sued on alleged improper election procedures. One of the top management firms in Sacramento managed our election. Even they were not aware of the requirement for something called "election rules" and so our three member volunteer (i.e., dragged kicking and screaming) board and their spouses work almost full time meeting with lawyers, pouring through documents and adjusting our expectations for retirement. We have spent well in excess of 100 thousand dollars on lawyers. We are a six unit association and our monthly dues per home are $2000. I will say it again. Every day each household writes a check for $50 to lawyers, since around $1500 per home is just for lawyers. Every month. Every home. No cruises. It is an absurd penalty for alleged minor Davis Stirling compliance issues.

Our plaintiff pays no dues or assessments. And we have been advised to lien her house would be more trouble than it's worth because of the lawsuits. We did go to court to try to collect dues a while back, and after winning in small claims, our de novo judge said it was all "too complicated" and rescinded our judgement. There's a pattern here. Nobody can figure this stuff out.

D&O insurance? Our Directors and Officers Insurer, Farmers, assured us that they would take over if a lawsuit was filed. They did not, claiming insurance does not cover defense costs when the plaintiff asks no damages.

I have pleaded with my own representatives in the legislature and many others for help. The groups you think might represent my interests in the legislature (CAI, ECHO etc.) certainly do not. They are industry trade groups dedicated to the preservation of the badly written, disastrously amended Davis Stirling. Does it really seem logical that a six unit association who used to gather once in a while to decide which plant goes next to the driveway should now employ three lawyers and a property management company? Our "manager" writes a few checks; they pay the gardener, utility bill, the insurance company and..........mainly.........the lawyers.

Among Davis Stirling's worst provisions is that individual homeowners are liable for judgements against and costs of the association TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THEIR ASSETS. In an age when the wealthy are walking away from their mortgages because they no longer think homes are good investments, where is our "walk away"? We can't.
The law can follow us to collect against personal assets because of the malfeasance, ineptitude or just plain honest mistakes by our volunteer board. Few condo buyers realize they are going into a business with people they do not know and are liable for their mistakes. We all now face bankruptcy because one homeowner with a grudge decided to use the law to ruin us.

The real estate industry, lawyers, and HOA managers seem to have more sway with legislators than do homeowners. Please be the voice of sanity and conscience and help us little guys. We are drowning in laws that have ruined our plans for own lives. Moving the sections around and correcting for clarity is all well and good but deck chairs on the Titanic come to mind.

Thank you.

Lois Walker
River Landing HOA
1413 Garden Hwy.
Sacramento, Ca. 95833
916 804 7541

CC. Norma Torres, Chair
Assembly Housing and Community Development Comm.

Mark De Saulnier, Chair
Senate Transportation and Housing Committee

Sen. Darrell Steinberg
Senate President Pro Tem

Dr. Richard Pan
Assemblymember, 5th District

Brian Hebert, Exec. Secy.
California Law Revision Comm.

Marjorie Murray
Ca. Home Law

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