DennisD7 (California)
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There is an owner who lives on the 18th floor of a San Francisco high-rise condominium. When the family moved in (and subsequently when they moved additional articles of furniture in) it was necessary for their movers to remove the drop ceiling panels in the elevator cab of the buildingâs passenger elevator to provide the headroom necessary to fit some pieces of furniture. No tools were necessary and no mechanical fasteners were involved. The removal of ceiling panels was just like the removal of Celotex drop ceiling panels. Just push up and slide over. Two identical passenger elevators serve the building. There are no freight elevators and only interior and exterior fire stairwells. Other than moving costs, there were no fees associated with these moves charged by or paid to the HOA.
The Board of the Association recently decided to enhance the elevatorsâ cabsâ appearance by installing a fixed drop lighted ceiling, without any notice to the owners and residents that the utility of the elevators would be diminished, thus prohibiting some furniture from fitting in the elevator cab.
The owner in question is planning some redecoration and it would appear that the only way to remove or install large furniture is through the fire stairwells. Needless to say, this will add expense for the labor required for the 18 story move/s. The Board has proposed an alternative, i.e., for a fee of $800 to be paid by residents (each time) they will arrange for the buildingâs elevator service firm to send two men out to operate the elevator so that the roof of the elevator is level with the elevator lobby floor when the elevator lobby doors are opened, thus allowing the furniture to ride down to ground level (or up from ground level) on the roof of the elevator cab.
The fee for this service, while reasonable in magnitude for the work the elevator service company would perform, is considered unreasonable by the owner because the familyâs expectations, which are reasonable from some perspectives, are that what goes up should be able to come down the same way and at similar costs (historically, free in this case).
-Did the Board act within their rights in making the modification without notice of the consequences to owners?
-Can ownersâ furniture effectively be âheld hostageâ for the $800 fee as is proposed? (No rules on point, nor schedule of fees/fines, have been adopted or published.)
-Would the proper adoption of a rule suffice? What about right now, when the owner wants to move furniture and before such rule adoption has taken place?
-Is use of the fire stairwells for furniture movement legal?
-Should the Association/Board be warned of any potential liability or any legitimate or legal recourse the owner might have?
Thanks in advance for your insights and comments.
The Board of the Association recently decided to enhance the elevatorsâ cabsâ appearance by installing a fixed drop lighted ceiling, without any notice to the owners and residents that the utility of the elevators would be diminished, thus prohibiting some furniture from fitting in the elevator cab.
The owner in question is planning some redecoration and it would appear that the only way to remove or install large furniture is through the fire stairwells. Needless to say, this will add expense for the labor required for the 18 story move/s. The Board has proposed an alternative, i.e., for a fee of $800 to be paid by residents (each time) they will arrange for the buildingâs elevator service firm to send two men out to operate the elevator so that the roof of the elevator is level with the elevator lobby floor when the elevator lobby doors are opened, thus allowing the furniture to ride down to ground level (or up from ground level) on the roof of the elevator cab.
The fee for this service, while reasonable in magnitude for the work the elevator service company would perform, is considered unreasonable by the owner because the familyâs expectations, which are reasonable from some perspectives, are that what goes up should be able to come down the same way and at similar costs (historically, free in this case).
-Did the Board act within their rights in making the modification without notice of the consequences to owners?
-Can ownersâ furniture effectively be âheld hostageâ for the $800 fee as is proposed? (No rules on point, nor schedule of fees/fines, have been adopted or published.)
-Would the proper adoption of a rule suffice? What about right now, when the owner wants to move furniture and before such rule adoption has taken place?
-Is use of the fire stairwells for furniture movement legal?
-Should the Association/Board be warned of any potential liability or any legitimate or legal recourse the owner might have?
Thanks in advance for your insights and comments.