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NickR (New York)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hello all. I am new to the forums and looking for some advice on how to reduce our delinquencies. A little background....

Our condo community has 336 units. I did not know when I bought 5 years ago, but the HOA had been poorly managed for several years. Dues and reserves were kept much lower than required. The Board made efforts to correct this (fees are now $395/month), but the property is 25 years old, which makes it difficult to keep up with all the expenses age brings on. Deciding that I wanted to be more involved and see where my money was going, I ran for and joined the Board last year. This year, I have taken on the role of Treasurer (a challenge to say the least!). I am the only Board member with a finance background, so it just made sense.

As with most other communities, we have quite a few foreclosures, and therefore, reduced cashflow. We also have an issue with owners that have not paid their dues (in some cases for several years). We have the usual fines, and a lawyer we use to process liens, etc. The issue is, when people are not paying dues, they are also not paying legal fees incurred. Since, this is an additional HOA expense, it compounds the issue. We take away pool use, assigned parking spots...whatever we can, but it does not matter to some people. We are now looking at more drastic measures. On example is towing cars from property in any situation where someone is significantly behind and has not offered to work with us.

I am really looking for any other ideas that may be useful. I want to reduce our delinquency rate so that we do not have any issues with Fannie Mae mortgage backing (I've read they must be 15% or less). We want to break the cycle of deteriorating property values, and the influx of outstanding cash would allow us to do more things while reducing the A/R.

Sorry for the long first post!
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Nick - I have two suggestions - the first of which you probably already have implemented.

First, make sure you have a standard collections policy and process in place. You may want to look at accelerating the process to catch things earlier. Of course that would increase the frequency and number of accounts turned over to your attorney, so that is a factor to consider. Where I live, most HOA attorneys that do collections do a "deferred" fee basis - not contingency, but at least deferred.

Secondly, I would look for ways to make your current collections practices more "impactful" on delinquent owners. One "impact" that usually doesn't happen with HOA collections is credit bureau reporting of the delinquency. As such, there's really not much in the way of consequences beyond what you described on the delinquent owner. However, if you can facilitate having the delinquent debt reported to credit bureaus AND the owner knows that's a consequence, the will be impacted in their ability to obtain credit in many, many consumer areas in the future.

There are a number of online "virtual" credit collection agencies that will report to credit bureaus. For a very reasonable fee (less than $25.00) you can have a series of increasingly strong collection letters sent from a dreaded "Collection Agency" AND have the credit bureau reporting as well.

One such service (I have absolutely no connection with them) is at www.olddebts.com There's one or two others I've seen as well, just can't remember them right now. They're somewhat of a "self-service" deal, so someone has to commit the time and energy to it.

Anyway, hope that helps.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
JOhn offers good points. One thing to remember if you go outside the HOA to get help in collecting the debts, you open yourself up to the Fair Debt Collections Laws of the US, so become familiar with them. And, make sure the company you hire to help with the collection is familiar with them as well, so they don't do anything illegal and give the owners cause for legal action about the debt.
It pays to do your homework.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Brian raises an excellent point regarding FDCPA.

This regulates the actions of debt collectors. In the case of using the "virtual" agencies I suggested, the burden is largely on them. However, because the system is self-service, it's incumbent on you to stop the series of letters if payment is received.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You may not agree, but a huge late fee works! We did a $50 late fee, that compounds, and no one was late anymore. See my post here:
http://goo.gl/aa0Tt

Well, one guy was late and was charged the $50. He was upset and asked us to waive it, we declined, and he paid the extra $50. Bitter lesson to learn.

We renamed it an "administrative paperwork fee", not a late fee.

$200 Jan Dues
$50 late fee for Jan

$200 Feb Dues
$50 late fee for Feb
$50 late fee for Mar

$200 Mar Dues
$50 late fee for Jan
$50 late fee for Feb
$50 late fee for Mar

Yeah, it totally sucks, but it works. Dont want the late fee? Dont be late!
DianneL1 (Washington)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Nick, I attended a seminar put on by my local chapter of CAI to learn more about this problem. We have delinquent rates higher than 15% as well. It's a sad state of affairs but don't stand by and let someone get a free ride. Unfortunately, you need to get tougher. Your BoD can pass aggressive collection policies to stop further problems. If collectors are not getting you anywhere, you need to get creative with wage and bank account garnishment. I googled one delinquent owner and found out where he worked.

Here is a snip from my seminar:

Community association homeowners will continue to default on their mortgages and, more importantly for our associations, become delinquent in the payment of their assessments/fees to their associations. This impacts other owners who have the means to pay their assessments. Unfortunately, we are seeing some associations defer maintenance, and most associations had to increase their assessments (budget for bad debt) to make up for the deficit. This trend is seriously impacting those owners who bought at the height of the market, and those units are not worth what they paid for them.
Reports show that many owners believe their properties will not increase in value to the level of the equity in the property for years to come. Many of these owners, despite their ability to pay their assessments, are going into default, taking advantage of the free ride. And as long as they are not paying their lender, they are not paying their association either.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that lenders are slow to foreclose. Recently there were some self-imposed moratoriums as lenders were dealing with legal issues such as confirming their ownership of the mortgage or deed of trust and/or adequate review of the documents (robo signers). The fact is that many lenders are not moving quickly to foreclose because they don't want the property in their inventory and they don't want to flood the market with too many properties, which would further drive down the prices of condominiums. While it is hard to challenge their reasoning, the fact is that there is nothing that community associations can do to compel the lenders to foreclose so that someone other than the non-paying owner owns the property, other than the association’s action by foreclosing. Does that always work? No. Does it work some of the time? Yes.

Associations are incurring large bills for legal services for lawsuits that have not netted any recovery. In many cases, the owners have disappeared, and even if they are still living at the property (rent-free), they have no money or assets. Associations are going to have to look at each of their delinquent accounts and determine whether it is better to move forward with non-judicial foreclosure. This may not result in a recovery of the assessments unless a third party bidder purchases the property, which may motivate the lender to finally foreclose or allow the association to put a tenant in the property and collect some of the money that was lost (subject to rent skimming laws).

Another option is to proceed judicially against the owner who may have money to pay a judgment. In the vast majority of cases, based on our experience, the association's best option is to proceed with non-judicial foreclosure, and actually foreclose, as at least the delinquent owner will be forced out of the property, and the association can exercise some options to hopefully recoup lost money or at least get a new owner that will start paying assessments.


I have much more advice too but this post is too long already! Sorry and good luck.
Dianne
NickR (New York)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks to all for the advice thus far.

We already implement a late fee of $35, and late interest. All legal fees related to collection matters get charged back to the owner. Part of the problem is that this adds to the receivable as well. Sure we get some owners attention when it goes to legal, but you will still have those who just won't pay or even try to work out an arrangement. We have also begun looking at outside collection agencies that credit-report, so that may help us make progress.

What are the thoughts on the towing if they park on property (our roads are considered private property)? We currently have one assigned spot per unit, and then unmarked spots for general use. If an owner owes more than a certain amount, we will black out their number assignment. However, they are still able to park in any spot, so long as it's not numbered.

If someone is not paying fees, then they usally will not be paying fines and late fees. The towing would not only send a message, but it would force them to pay if they want their car back. We have also entertained working out an agreement with the local towing service to kick back some money for the increased business.

Dianne, feel free to post as much advice as you wish!
DianneL1 (Washington)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Nick,
As for the towing, I don't think this will result in anything other than putting them farther behind in their finances. When dealing with our delinquent owners, I try to remember that the economy has taken a toll on otherwise nice people. Most people didn't choose to be in arrears.
Also something to think about, if the delinquent owner is letting the upkeep of their unit slide, it may be time to step in to help. If they have stopped paying their monthly assessments & mortgage, why should they continue to purchase condo insurance for example? Are appliances in poor repair (think fire or water hazard)? If so, that could affect adjacent units or even building integrity. Reaching out to help seems counter intuitive but it is thinking about the bigger picture instead. Talk to them with respect (without making concessions) and let the lawyers do the dirty impersonal collections work.
Question: Does your CC&Rs restrict a delinquent owner from voting or holding a seat on the Board? Curious.
Dianne
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Nick,

Often relying on Attorneys hurts rather than helps make collections.

We found that checking with the homeowners face-to-face worked wonders. Some homeowners were legitimately confused and we had a chance to explain things. Others were embarrassed to explain why they were stiffing the HOA when they were talking to their neighbor in person.

I remember one homeowner who answered the door with her teenage daughter watching. As soon as I started talking she said her check must have been lost and wrote me another one on the spot.

You should also be willing to work out a payment plan, and perhaps reduce the debt if it's been accumulating for a while. Homeowners will often pay up if they think that they are getting a limited-time deal.

Good luck!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
What are the thoughts on the towing if they park on property (our roads are considered private property)? We currently have one assigned spot per unit, and then unmarked spots for general use. If an owner owes more than a certain amount, we will black out their number assignment. However, they are still able to park in any spot, so long as it's not numbered.

Do you rent the parking spots to each unit separately from condo dues? Or are they deeded and owned by the unit?

I'm guessing each unit has deeded parking spots. So the owner owns the parking spot, not the HOA. Therefore you cannot tow them unless you foreclosed on the unit, took ownership, then towed
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Sorry to resurrect an old post, but I did a search rather than stirring up an issue that may have already been stirred up.

I was just elected to my board, and I am flabbergasted by the delinquencies. We have some folks whom I suspect have been in collections as long as they have been homeowners.

I do like the idea of basically going door to door and asking folks where their checks are and explaining to them why rely on everyone to pay.

We don't really have any privileges to take away. No pool or gym or anything like that. I do like the idea of taking back their parking privileges, but there is some confusion on that. I am going to have to go back and review my deed, because I thought two spots were deeded to me, but others say that they are owned by the association and assigned to each homeowner.

So, thanks for all the tips. Also wondering how folks' delinquency percentages are and what kinds of things folks do to get the money back. Our CC&Rs state that we will report to the lender after two months of delinquency, but I would guess that isn't happening, and with this economy I am not sure lenders care.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Laura,

The main thing to do is be consistent. Have a clear policy and comply with it.

I've actually been successful in getting past assessments caught up by offering (with board approval) to waive all late charges if the member pays all past due assessments and the rest of the current years assessments in full. Otherwise, the charges would remain in place and the Board would escalate the collection process by turning the issue over to our attorney (at which point legal fees would be added to the amount owed).

Basically we do the following:

1) 30 day letter sent via first class mail by the bookkeeper
2) 60 day letter sent via first class mail by the treasurer
3) 90 day letter sent via certified mail by the treasurer
4) Notice of intent to accelerate payments and File lien sent via certified and first class mail.
5) Notice of agenda item and invitation to attend the board meeting sent via first class mail. This is basically a courtesy informing the member that the issue is on the board's agenda to decide to bring in the legal team. Part of the letter says:

"Perhaps there are mitigating circumstances that are preventing the payments from being made. If this is the case, the Board does not desire to escalate the collection process if a satisfactory arrangement can be made.

I would also like to extend an invitation to you to attend the meeting of mm/dd/yyyy. Attendance at the meeting is not required but would provide you an opportunity to discuss the issue with the entire Board of Directors. If you would like to accept this invitation, or if you desire to attend but the time/date is not convenient, please contact . . . . ."

Once this policy was implemented our delinquency rate went from 8% on Jan 1 to 3% on Nov 1.

Yes, knock on wood, we know that even at 8% our delinquency rate is low.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
8 percent? I'd love to have 8 percent.

We are at 25 percent. People complained because we had to raise the assessment 10% for next year. It's not even going to scratch the surface on our costs with 25% of our residents in arrears on their dues.

I like the idea of putting a little report in each newsletter showing what is 30 days past due, 90 etc. Maybe explaining when I first do it what happens when you only bring in 75% of your budgeted income, putting it in terms they can understand.

I also like giving folks the opportunity to come to the board and plead their cases.

I'd really like to turn folks into the big three collection agencies, because I know tons of people who don't pay bills that they think won't affect their credit score, but they aren't going to miss the visa bill.

I would love to have other folks' thoughts/ideas/comments on this. I'd also like to know what kind of delinquency percentage you are facing. I guess I'm hoping there's someone out there as stunned by this as I am.

When I signed the deed for my house at closing, they told me that my monthly assessment was X amount and that I mailed it to this address and if I didn't bad things would happen to me, including the possibility of losing my home. Does that not scare other people? Or are they not scared because they know we're not really going to foreclose on anyone?

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
8 percent? I'd love to have 8 percent.

We are at 25 percent. People complained because we had to raise the assessment 10% for next year. It's not even going to scratch the surface on our costs with 25% of our residents in arrears on their dues.

I like the idea of putting a little report in each newsletter showing what is 30 days past due, 90 etc. Maybe explaining when I first do it what happens when you only bring in 75% of your budgeted income, putting it in terms they can understand.

I also like giving folks the opportunity to come to the board and plead their cases.

I'd really like to turn folks into the big three collection agencies, because I know tons of people who don't pay bills that they think won't affect their credit score, but they aren't going to miss the visa bill.

I would love to have other folks' thoughts/ideas/comments on this. I'd also like to know what kind of delinquency percentage you are facing. I guess I'm hoping there's someone out there as stunned by this as I am.

When I signed the deed for my house at closing, they told me that my monthly assessment was X amount and that I mailed it to this address and if I didn't bad things would happen to me, including the possibility of losing my home. Does that not scare other people? Or are they not scared because they know we're not really going to foreclose on anyone?

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
8 percent? I'd love to have 8 percent.

We are at 25 percent. People complained because we had to raise the assessment 10% for next year. It's not even going to scratch the surface on our costs with 25% of our residents in arrears on their dues.

I like the idea of putting a little report in each newsletter showing what is 30 days past due, 90 etc. Maybe explaining when I first do it what happens when you only bring in 75% of your budgeted income, putting it in terms they can understand.

I also like giving folks the opportunity to come to the board and plead their cases.

I'd really like to turn folks into the big three collection agencies, because I know tons of people who don't pay bills that they think won't affect their credit score, but they aren't going to miss the visa bill.

I would love to have other folks' thoughts/ideas/comments on this. I'd also like to know what kind of delinquency percentage you are facing. I guess I'm hoping there's someone out there as stunned by this as I am.

When I signed the deed for my house at closing, they told me that my monthly assessment was X amount and that I mailed it to this address and if I didn't bad things would happen to me, including the possibility of losing my home. Does that not scare other people? Or are they not scared because they know we're not really going to foreclose on anyone?

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Sorry about the duplicate posts. Not sure what happened there or how to delete them!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Laura

Allow me to start by saying in no way shape or form should anyone personally aproach one behind in due. Allowme to repeat.....never, never, never.

Quite often letters, phone calls, etc, from the BOD lose their meaning for a number of reasons so quite often the collection process has to be kicked up a few notches.

We have had discussion with a law/collection firm about unpaid dues. They use a multi step process to collect. To the best of my recollection it will go like this:

1. After 30 and 60 days late we send polite letters from the HOA. In the next quarterly bill, the HOA sends notice reminding the owner they are 90 days late and asks for back and present dues or a payment schedule acceptable to the HOA within 30 days or we will turn the account over to a law firm for collection.

2. Law/collection firm sends a letter informing the homeowner that they have received the case and are prepared to file a lien and commence to foreclose unless owed dues are paid or a payment schedule is arranged with the HOA within 30 days. The firm charges the HOA $65.00 for this letter.

They then back off and await notification from the BOD. It is now back in the BOD's lap. The BOD then tries to reach an agreement, if not we turn it over to the law/collection firm again.

3. Law/collection firm sends a letter saying a lien has been filed and foreclosure has commenced. It will now cost the homeowner $495.00 (to the law firm) plus owed dues to the HOA to stop the process. No charge to the HOA.

4. Law/collection firm files some paperwork with the court about foreclosure and notifies the homeowner that foreclosure has begun and it will cost $995.00 (to the law firm) plus back dues to the HOA to stop the process.

The next step would be the HOA pays the law firm $400.00 and foreclosure commences. The process is completely stoppable at this point by the HOA and the HOA would have a lien.

Candidly we do not want to be in the foreclosure business so more then likely we would stop the process, lick our wounds, and move on.

There is no sure fire method to collect back dues. Hopefully as the economy and home sales improve, this problem will lessen.

LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 11/26/2012 4:19 PM
Allow me to start by saying in no way shape or form should anyone personally aproach one behind in due. Allowme to repeat.....never, never, never.

John,

My experience is different. When I took over as Treasurer we had several delinquent accounts, and 2 that had already gone to the lawyers and had liens outstanding. I spoke to each of the delinquents face-to-face, and found that some were simply confounded by the process and needed an someone to explain it to them. E-mail and letters had done little to open effective communication.

In all but one case, I worked out a payment plan with the homeowners to catch up their account. This personal approach also had lasting effect -- after finishing the payment plan, each homeowner has continued to pay on time (except for that one recalcitrant delinquent). Our delinquency rate is now 2% - one home out of 80.

Because every member of an HOA is a neighbor, conventional wisdom about collections may not apply. I recommend making an effort to meet each problem homeowner in person, and see what you can work out.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Lawrence,

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

I suspect that none of these get-tough policies have ever collected a nickle. Most owners today are upside down in their mortgages and many are out of work. In most states mortgage liens are superior to HOA liens and the same people who do not pay their assessments are also not paying their mortgages. Bottom line is that most delinquent assessments will never be collected. The only thing that saddling delinquent owners with additional fees will do is increase the amount of receivables that ultimately must be written off.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I’m also treasurer of our HOA, which has had a high delinquency problem for several years. Things we’ve done:

• Increased the late fee – it was $20 for several years, now it’s $30

• Changed attorneys – we like our original attorney, but felt the firm was too lenient on homeowners who were chronically late. The old attorney is closing out old cases (ironically the attorney who’s working them now is very good – if we’d had her all along, maybe we wouldn’t have had to make a change).

• Set up payment plan standards, such as requiring homeowners to provide income/expense information up front to demonstrate financial hardship. Basically, they send the information to our property manager or attorney and then the board is contacted with the proposal, which we review and decide to approve it. We took the payment plan approval away from the property manager and attorney because we found people were paying tiny amounts (e.g. $25 a month) when they had huge balances (over $1500) and they still weren’t paying current fees, so they’d fall further behind.

• Filed more liens and began pursuing our own foreclosures. It’s not a guarantee we’ll get anything, but if the house ever changes hands it gives us a slightly better chance of getting SOME money.

In a few cases we've been able to suspend our foreclosure when the mortgage company woke up and started their own action. The mortgage is superior to the HOA lien in this state, so I';d prefer they spend their own money because I'm not crazy about spending our money and still writing off a large debt. So, we we decide to foreclose ourselves, the primary objective is to get rid of the deadbeat - the sooner they leave the sooner a paying homeowner can come in.

It may take another 4-5 years before we know if any of this is effective – I’m cautiously optimistic because next year it looks like we’ll finally be rid of some seriously delinquent homeowners, one who has never paid on time (the board should have gotten rid of her around the time I moved here in 2001, but to some extent it was just as lenient on homeowners as our attorney).

Elsewhere on this website is a thread I started on the 1099-C that may be useful. I’d seen an article about this on a Georgia property management website that suggested Boards tell homeowners that if they didn’t pay, the 1099-C for the delinquent amount would be filed with the IRS – it’s then considered income that the homeowner would have to pay taxes on. The website suggested that the prospect of more taxes might persuade homeowners to come up with a payment, but if you do file it, you’ll have to write off the amount owed and cease any collection

We haven’t yet decided to try this as I’d like to talk to a tax attorney about the pros and cons.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Laura,

I'm the president of an HOA that currently runs a 4% delinquency rate covering 236 properties. Of that 4%, 1.3% is what I would deem in "default" as opposed to being less than 90 days late.

We follow the letter of North Carolina state law in regards to collections. Our property manager is authorized to turn over defaulting accounts to our collections attorney, carrying the process to lien-filing stage before the board is asked for a vote on the matter. We have foreclosed on one property and taken the deed, though it was very uncomfortable. In NC, the HOA board president personally signs authorizations to foreclose.

A clean collections process makes the matter professional and clear-cut. Most (not all) of your non-payers are not paying because the board hasn't the "guts" to chase the money, even though the delinquent dues payer will pay for the process and cover HOA expenses.

Stay away from personal conversations regarding delinquent dues and resist sending "friendly" reminder letters or invitations to address the board about the obvious situation - communications beyond the scope of official collections communication.

HOA board members forget that the vast majority of delinquent payers know exactly what they're doing - the above-board payers, if late or failing, will try to work out an arrangement, even if it's less than owed each month, until the financial situation improves. Honest people should be given the courtesy of flexibility in tough times.

No matter what, you've got to get your HOA collection deliquency rate below 15%.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LauraR5 on 11/26/2012 12:52 PM
Sorry to resurrect an old post, but I did a search rather than stirring up an issue that may have already been stirred up.

I was just elected to my board, and I am flabbergasted by the delinquencies. We have some folks whom I suspect have been in collections as long as they have been homeowners.

I do like the idea of basically going door to door and asking folks where their checks are and explaining to them why rely on everyone to pay.

We don't really have any privileges to take away. No pool or gym or anything like that. I do like the idea of taking back their parking privileges, but there is some confusion on that. I am going to have to go back and review my deed, because I thought two spots were deeded to me, but others say that they are owned by the association and assigned to each homeowner.

So, thanks for all the tips. Also wondering how folks' delinquency percentages are and what kinds of things folks do to get the money back. Our CC&Rs state that we will report to the lender after two months of delinquency, but I would guess that isn't happening, and with this economy I am not sure lenders care.

Laura

as others have said have a consistent policy and follow it and be fair to all. We don't have any amenities either to take away and our dues are low but our penalties for late fees and administrative costs are punitive. We lien right away and when you reach a certain dollar amount you automatically get sent to a collection agent. We recently won a lawsuit against a former owner who had his house foreclosed on and we couldn't get all the back dues. We have made it a point to let our membership know that collections and lawsuits are headed your way if you don't pay.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Our old HOA president has made it clear that she is "not in the real estate business" and never had any intention of foreclosing on anyone. In fact, when she forwarded some information to the new board yesterday about a delinquency where the homeowner keeps telling our attorney that the check is in the mail, I replied and said "Give her 30 days and start foreclosure proceedings." The new board members agreed with me, but she sent me an email back with all the reasons we couldn't do it.

Yes, I know it's messy. Yes, I know the HOA doesn't want to own delinquent properties, but I am hearing some common elements from everyone here.
1. The threat of foreclosure scares people into paying.
2. Often foreclosure proceedings from the HOA spurs the mortgage lender into action.
3. People are not paying because they feel there are no consequences.

There is NO excuse for homeowners to consistently pay late and not pay at all. Like I said, we have some homeowners who NEVER pay their assessments. We have one guy who rents his place out for $1,000+ a month and owes us $5,000+. I asked if our attorney can look into seeing if we can take his rent payments until he's current, but I'm not sure how that works.

When I signed my deed in February at my closing, they told me this is how much you pay and where you send your check and if you don't you will lose your house. I pay every month on time because a) that's how I was raised and b) I don't want to lose my house.

Maybe if we up our late fees, start reporting to credit bureaus and at least threaten foreclosure we'll get some bills paid. I don't want to be a jerk, but I think the folks who are expecting me to carry the load for them are the jerks here.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LauraR5 on 11/27/2012 7:22 AM
Our old HOA president has made it clear that she is "not in the real estate business" and never had any intention of foreclosing on anyone. In fact, when she forwarded some information to the new board yesterday about a delinquency where the homeowner keeps telling our attorney that the check is in the mail, I replied and said "Give her 30 days and start foreclosure proceedings." The new board members agreed with me, but she sent me an email back with all the reasons we couldn't do it.

Yes, I know it's messy. Yes, I know the HOA doesn't want to own delinquent properties, but I am hearing some common elements from everyone here.
1. The threat of foreclosure scares people into paying.
2. Often foreclosure proceedings from the HOA spurs the mortgage lender into action.
3. People are not paying because they feel there are no consequences.

There is NO excuse for homeowners to consistently pay late and not pay at all. Like I said, we have some homeowners who NEVER pay their assessments. We have one guy who rents his place out for $1,000+ a month and owes us $5,000+. I asked if our attorney can look into seeing if we can take his rent payments until he's current, but I'm not sure how that works.

When I signed my deed in February at my closing, they told me this is how much you pay and where you send your check and if you don't you will lose your house. I pay every month on time because a) that's how I was raised and b) I don't want to lose my house.

Maybe if we up our late fees, start reporting to credit bureaus and at least threaten foreclosure we'll get some bills paid. I don't want to be a jerk, but I think the folks who are expecting me to carry the load for them are the jerks here.

Laura

another option, go to small claims court, get a judgement and garnish wages. There are options other than foreclosing to get the money.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
I will have to look into that. I thought one of our board members said we can't garnish wages, so maybe that is not an option in Tennessee.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Typically the governing documents provide for collecting the assessments. However, you need to read them as they may provide an either/or type of action.

Example:

Our Association may file a lien but,we have to choose between forclosing the lien or bring an action at law against the owner (seek judgement to garnish wages, etc.). The language does not allow us to do both.

"The Association may bring an action at law against the Owner personally obligated to pay the delinquent assessment or foreclose the lien against the property . . . "

had the document used "and/or", instead of "or" the association could use both options to collect.
BradP (Kansas)
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Posted By LauraR5 on 11/27/2012 7:29 AM
I will have to look into that. I thought one of our board members said we can't garnish wages, so maybe that is not an option in Tennessee.

you should be able to garnish on a court judgement...
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
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I think so, too. And from what I've been reading, we should be able to go after rental income until assessments are caught up.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LauraR5 on 11/28/2012 7:18 AM
from what I've been reading, we should be able to go after rental income until assessments are caught up.

You can do that in Florida.

However, you can request the courts to allow you to do this.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
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I have mentioned it to our board and property manager. Hopefully the MC's legal department will pursue it.
MikeS1
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Tim, How are your factoring the delinquency rate at 8%. Is that based the percentage of owners that are over 30 days in arrears? Curious? Tks.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By LauraR5 on 11/28/2012 7:29 AM
I have mentioned it to our board and property manager. Hopefully the MC's legal department will pursue it.

Why is your board sitting on its hands hoping that your MC's legal department will pursue it?

Your board has all the legal authority you need to seek your own legal advice from your own attorney and then make your very own decision as to what to do.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Yep.

Accounts are considered delinquent if the monthly installment isn't received by the last day of the month. Total number of accounts/lots that are delinquent (more than 30 days) divided by total number of lots multiplied by 100.

LauraR5 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 11/28/2012 10:35 AM
Posted By LauraR5 on 11/28/2012 7:29 AM
I have mentioned it to our board and property manager. Hopefully the MC's legal department will pursue it.


Why is your board sitting on its hands hoping that your MC's legal department will pursue it?

Your board has all the legal authority you need to seek your own legal advice from your own attorney and then make your very own decision as to what to do.

This is a new board, and this is our first month. I just came on the board and looked at the reports and realized how bad the delinquencies are. Our new board does seem interested in taking a more active role in getting our assessments, and I think that will happen. The way things seem to work is that we tell the property manager, he tells legal, and she works with our outside counsel to make sure things get taken care of. It sounds like a lot of steps, but when things get done it works well. That being said, I think our number one issue is that our former president made it clear to residents that foreclosure was not on the table to get assessments and there's no real incentive for these folks to pay in a timely manner. Yeah, they have gotten judgments against people and can garnish their bank accounts, but it seems like many of them don't have accounts for us to take money out of.

We just have to make it clear to the residents that there is a new sheriff in town and nonpayment has consequences. For some folks, there is a legitimate financial hardship, but most appear to not pay because they are insolent.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Here is my policy that I put in place that worked very well. We had a stern policy that at 6 months you would be liened. End of story. However, you could make payment arrangements before then so that you could avoid it. Sometimes we would waive the late fee on some if they paid half the assessment before it was considered late. They just had to pay the second half the next month. We made arrangements based on the situation that helped both parties out. Accounting wise it can be a bit tricky not to show a deliquency on such cases so consult the management so they can try to accommodate these situations.

I did a foreclosure once in our HOA successfully. It isn't pretty and it doesn't make the HOA a profit. I only recommend it for special circumstances as a HOA foreclosure does the work of the bank without guarantee of seeing a dime. Plus the HOA does NOT want to own this property if they do foreclose. I wouldn't though take foreclosure off the table completely even if you never use it. It's a useful tool and one that a person can avoid if they simply pay their bill. That's it.

My opinion a true deliquency doesn't happen in 30 days. It happens over time. One could simply forget to have paid that month or was incompacitated temporarily to pay. A given time period of 3 to 6 months behind usually weeds out those who are truly deliquent and those having financial issues. It's the fairest without causing the most expense.

Former HOA President
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
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For every person who just doesn't pay for whatever reason, we have one person who pays only when it gets out of hand. You can look at folks' payment history and it is like they don't pay for three months, then pay all the fines and such, and then repeat the process. They have told me that there are several homeowners that for whatever reason just do not pay until you threaten them.

What we really need, as much as we need to collect from the folks who owe us for years of non-payment, is to drill into people's heads that this is a bill, just like your mortgage, light bill, car payment, etc. that has to be paid every month. It's clearly spelled out in our covenants. It's made clear when you close on your house. Where is the disconnect?

As a sidenote, another board member and I have been talking about ways we can welcome new residents into our community. So, for future new homeowners we will explain why they need to pay their assessments on time, every time. But how do we back up and engage our current folks. I have been told that some do it because they don't see the point in paying for the HOA, but they had the option to look for homes that weren't in a covenant community, so that argument falls on deaf ears with me.

Also in future issues of the newsletter I plan to publish how many units are in arrears by 30 days, 60 days, etc.
Maybe once people realize it is a huge problem, they will want to help deal with it.

We just need to start acting on all of this because we don't have our delinquencies budgeted for next year to deal with the amount of folks not paying, and we can't afford to dip into the reserves.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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James,

It appears that you are again pushing the envelope. Reactivating an old thread for the purpose of pushing the idea of Associations to purchase insurance, which your company happens to be the only one selling, is (in my opinion) SPAM. You had previously (in 2012) started a thread with this same topic. As had been done then, I am doing now and reporting it the posting as SPAM

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