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RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Our HOA just paid our final common-area electric bill for 2010: a total of $127,000 for the year.

As the chair of our newly-formed energy committee, I contacted PG&E (our local electrical utility) to ask if they had any suggestions for cutting this bill down. The rep looked at our bill and exclaimed that we are paying residential rates, when we should be paying commercial rates. Our HOA has 177 townhouse and condo units, each with its own residential meter. Our HOA, on the other hand, owns the land, the pool building, the recreation center, a visitors parking garage, tennis courts, fountains, landscaping, street lights, garages (all with lights), an automatic front gate, fire alarms, etc., and the corporation itself has a separate utilities account with PG&E, with 14 separate meters for all of the above.

I spent an hour on the phone with PG&E rep, who calculated what our HOA common-area total for the year would have been, had we paid commercial rates, and guess what? $64,000! He said he would send a report to our management company that outlines all of this, and as you can imagine, I was wild with joy!

Well, today we received the report, and there was nothing at all in it about what our rates would be if we switched to commercial from residential. Instead, it was a report for each of the 14 meters, showing a rate comparison between the residential rate we currently pay, and the other residential rates we might choose from. Everybody get this? Where did the $64,000 go?

I called PG&E today, and was told that we don't qualify for commercial rates, because we're a residential community. I pointed out that the first rep was really excited about how much money we could save, spent an hour doing all of the calculations to prove it, promised a report, and then sent a completely different report.

They are obviously trying to get out of cutting our common-area electric bill, by wriggling out of classifying us commercial.

My question for all of you: Have any of your HOA's been successful in establishing a commercial account for common area utilities, and if so, how did it work out for you?

Thanks,

Rob
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hey Rob:

A thought just occurred to me ... because the HOA is Non-Profit Corporation would that then allow for commercial rates as a corporate entity?
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
That's my position, Janet. But I think it's going to come down to the utility company deciding whether or not our HOA qualifies for commercial utility rates. That decision is going to be based on some internal set of guidelines, an arbitrary decision by some employee of the utility company, or by the local utility commission.

No matter how they decide, I was told - on the phone during a conference call with the owner of a solar energy contracting firm here in California - that we have the right to choose between residential and commercial rates. I confirmed yesterday that we would, in fact, cut our electric bill roughly in half. As I mentioned, that would mean a savings of approximately $64,000 this year. If I can pull this off, I'm going to be a hero.

Think about the ramifications for the utility company, though. There are nearly 50,000 HOA's in California. I'm going to assume that most of them are paying residential rates for electricity, even though it could be argued that many (if not all) of them would qualify as commercial entities under certain circumstances, even if they are non-profits.

Imagine if I am successful at cutting our bills in half, and word gets out to the rest of the 57,000 HOA's...

Rob
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Anything to cut costs ... especially in today's economy. You might not only be local HOA hero, but state HOA hero.

Go get them ... Good Luck!!!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Except for the garages, I'd say all those you listed would fall under commercial buildings.

You may have to fight this meter by meter.

Good luck.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Keep your fingers crossed, but I think I may have won this. It turns out that in 2002, ECHO (Executive Council of Homeowners) fought this battle (in California, at any rate) with the utilities company (PG&E) and with the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC). After months of negotiations and hearings, ECHO was successful in convincing the CPUC to change the rules that until then required that HOA's pay residential rates. Every California HOA was supposedly sent a letter (all 12,500 of them in 2003), notifying them that they now had the option of switching. Our HOA never received this letter. Now there are approximately 50,000 HOA's in the state of California, and I'm betting that most of the ones with separate common area electrical service have no idea they've been paying way more than they should.

My wife, who is the current Board president, contacted ECHO yesterday, who confirmed this story. ECHO sent us a copy of the documentation that was supposedly sent out, in it's all true. All California HOA's that have common area electrical service have the option of switching to Commercial standing, which in our case, means cutting our annual common area electric costs by roughly $64,000.

Meanwhile, it is painfully obvious that the "customer service" reps at PG&E don't know their own regulations, and have been stonewalling me. But I never let go of things like this. $64,000 is a lot of money.

So, I still have to fight with PG&E, but I have ECHO backing me up. This is the type of story that bloggers and consumer watch advocates love, so if PG&E wanted to play it cool, they would just let my HOA switch to Commercial - but only after giving me something in writing that will show what we would have saved in 2010, had we been classified this way.

Stay tuned for the continuing saga...

Rob
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
I Tweeted this. This is a great idea and thanks for sharing.
RickyC (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Rob -
I was searching online when I found your post. I was looking in to this exact same matter. We are an energy contractor in the Bay Area and we provide alot of energy services to HOA's and multi-family dwellings. Alot of our customers that we work with are on Commercial Rate schedules.

I can help you with your dilemna if you want.

Let me know.

Ricky Chu
Rayco Energy
[email protected]
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Hi Ricky,

Appreciate the offer, but I won this particular battle, and our electrical bills have dropped by 60%.

Best regards,

Rob
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
RobW do you have a contact person and number at ECHO.

Can you tell us how you won this battle?
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
In order to win this particular battle,you don't need ECHO. All you need is to call your PG&E customer service rep, and refer him or her to this page on the PG&E website:

http://www.pge.com/about/rates/rateinfo/rateoptions/

Note two caveats, though, concerning switching from residential to commercial rates. In order to switch from residential rates to commercial rates: 1) Your common area must be metered separately from your residential units, 2) your complex must have been built prior to January 16, 2003, and (3) it may not save you anything to switch a meter from residential to commercial, and once you switch, you can't switch back. You need to request that PG&E generate a full report showing what your common-area electric bills were for each meter for the year prior, and what your bills would have been had the same meter been billed on commercial rates. Each meter can be switched, or not, depending on the lowest projected cost. Keep in mind also that since you can't switch back, once you go commercial on any of these meters, future changes in how PG&E establishes rates for commercial meters may hurt you. there's no way to predict this.

If your complex was built after January 16, 2003, the rules are a bit different. (See below)

Toward the bottom of the page find this:

Multi-family Common Use Areas

Common areas can be shared or used by occupants within a multi-family facility, and include, but are not limited to, outdoor lighting, hallway lighting, elevators, laundry rooms, recreation rooms, swimming pools and tennis courts.

Common-area accounts that are separately metered by PG&E were granted a one-time opportunity by the California Public Utilities Commissions on January 16, 2003, to switch from the electric residential rate classification to the electric commercial rate classification. These customers may still change to a commercial rate schedule, but they may no longer return to a residential rate schedule.

Customers with multi-family common use service constructed after January 16, 2003, have the option to take service on either a residential or general service rate schedule. If the general service rate schedule is chosen to establish service, they will have a one-time, two-month window of opportunity to return to a residential rate schedule, starting 14 months after service is established. Once the two month window has expired, these customers may still switch to a commercial rate schedule, but they may not switch back to residential.

Good luck!

Rob

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