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BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:

A resident for instance has a garage sale which is in violation of the governing documents. A letter is sent informing the owner that only community garage sales are permitted. The owner has a 2nd garage sale, a 2nd letter is sent informing the resident that they now have a meeting with the covenant(fining) committee. According to the manager the committee can't fine for the 2 prior violations, but can tell the owner they will be fined X amount of dollars for any future garage sales.
Is this how the process works?

Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

I agree with your Manager. You cannot fine retroactively . It should have been done at the time of the violation but now she has been told that she will get fined for futures sales.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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Is this how the process works?


In your community that may be how it works. Every HOA is different.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,

The violation was reported at the time, but the manager states that we must send 2 letters. How would you handle a situation like this?

Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Steve,

This is how the manager states the process should work. Our documents just state that we can fine for violations and it will be voted on by the covenants committee.(although the manger makes the Board vote on approving the recommendation from the committee)

Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

That is true, you must send a warning letter and then a certified letter if no resonse has been made. So far, your Manager is following the Statutes. Everyone must go thru the due process.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

Here is what it says from 720:305 (2) If the governing documents so provide, an association may suspend, for a reasonable period of time, the rights of a member or a member's tenants, guests, or invitees, or both, to use common areas and facilities and may levy reasonable fines, not to exceed $100 per violation, against any member or any tenant, guest, or invitee. A fine may be levied on the basis of each day of a continuing violation,""" WITH A SINGLE NOTICE """with a single notice and opportunity for hearing, except that no such fine shall exceed $1,000 in the aggregate unless otherwise provided in the governing documents.

"a) A fine or suspension may not be imposed without notice of at least 14 days to the person sought to be fined or suspended and an opportunity for a hearing before a committee of at least three members appointed by the board who are not officers, directors, or employees of the association, or the spouse, parent, child, brother, or sister of an officer, director, or employee. If the committee, by majority vote, does not approve a proposed fine or suspension, it may not be imposed.

So after reading this, it has changed since I last had to deal with this issue. It now says that ""with a single notice"""
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
We no longer have to send 2 letters?

I get so confused with how the process is supposed to play out,because to me their are 2 kinds of violations:

The first one is for example, the garage sale scenario(it was seen,reported and can't be verified after the fact) the next would be for example, oil in the driveway(it was seen,reported and can be verified by others if not cured)

Now for the oil in the driveway, the second letter gets them a meeting with the covenant committee in which the committee can fine if the violation isn't cured. Yet, in the 1st scenario they can't fine for the violation that got them a meeting with the covenant's committee, we have to wait for a 3rd offense of the violation.

Barbara
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Barbara … I think your issue is possibly due to:

720:305 (2) If the governing documents so provide …

Your governing documents apparently state per your post:

We can fine for violations and it will be voted on by the covenants committee.

If your governing documents stated possibly something to the effect of:

All violators will be sent a notice regarding the violation and have 15 days to rectify the violation or schedule a meeting with the covenants committee to dispute the notice violation. If the violation is not resolved within 15 days or dispute resolution scheduled, the fine to be imposed for the violation will be $xx effective immediately … etc.

It appears in your documents a violator must appear for a meeting, and the covenants committee vote that if there are further issues what the fine would entail. If someone does not know up front the extent regarding the consequences then you have a more difficult time enforcing legally the consequences. This is why most laws state the penalties for the crimes.

You might check yourself and read your documents to be sure. Hope this makes more sense.

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