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ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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Without aid of a management company? How common?
BrianB (California)
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I did, for multiple years in Arizona, and my current HOA has apparently been doing it for going on 35 years now. it all depends on the HOA... size, amenities, by laws, CC&R's, location, etc..
GlenL (Ohio)
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More than that it relies on the pool of willing volunteers you have to draw from, as I remember it Brian, weren't you the last man standing? You need a steady stream of people willing to put the time and effort in.

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ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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Thanks for the info Brian.
We are about 70 homes on half acre lots. Only amenities are a 15 acre wooded common area which requires no maintenance and some vacant lots. The developer in our sub who has been MIA for 6 years is turning over HOA to homeowners in March. There has not been an active HOA yet. It is going to be interesting to see how this develops. About half the residents are in favor of dissolving the HOA. If there is to be one, I want to know what all the options are.
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By ValerieS2 on 01/22/2011 4:28 PM
Thanks for the info Brian.
We are about 70 homes on half acre lots. Only amenities are a 15 acre wooded common area which requires no maintenance and some vacant lots. The developer in our sub who has been MIA for 6 years is turning over HOA to homeowners in March. There has not been an active HOA yet. It is going to be interesting to see how this develops. About half the residents are in favor of dissolving the HOA. If there is to be one, I want to know what all the options are.

Valerie, do you own the entire lot or just the house? The HOA is a corporation usually formed by the developer/declarant before the first building is built. S/he controls it until transition to the homeowners which occurs when a certain percentage of the homes have been built or after X number of years.

I would start by checking with the Michigan Secretary of State's office to see if the HOA is registered, usually the name of the community. Then you should check with the local County Recorder's office for documents on the development. The CC&R's should contain what is required to remove the HOA; this information is available on-line here but I don't know about Michigan.

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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
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Valerie,

We are an 80 member community with a common pool and tennis courts. We have been self-managed for the entire 18 years that the homeowners have had control of the association.

The results have been mixed. Sometimes we get a very competent board with the time to do things right -- sometimes the insurance coverage lapses because no one is checking the mail, or the books don't balance because the treasurer doesn't understand basic accounting.

After all this, we are now considering hiring a management company just to keep a consistent and reliable level of service to the homeowners.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Valarie,

We have been self managed for over 30 years. Started in 1980.

I can't say that there hasn't been problems, there have. However, as long as you have a fair amount of volunteers (for us that's about 45% of the membership) things keep working.

Tim
DeeS1 (Michigan)
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Valerie: Our community is 50+ newer homes on half acre lots in Michigan. We get regular requests from homeowners to get rid of the management company to lower dues, as the management company accounts for roughly 25% of their dues. These requests ALWAYS come from people who have never served on the board. All current and former board members, those that know what it actually takes to keep things running smoothly, have commented that they would never be on a board without a management company in place. Of course, you have to make sure you're working with a good management company -- that's the most important part.

It is frequently brought to our attention by our homeowners how other nearby bigger communities do not use management companies and their dues are much lower. Why do we then need one? What the homeowners don't realize is that these bigger communities, with "slightly" lower dues are not being advised or saving for their reserves (which will cost their homeowners in the long-run), have had lapses in both their non-profit filings and insurance (which exposes ALL homeowners to litigation liability), and have a much higher delinquency rate without the assistance of a management company for consistent collections. Additionally, the management companies have relationships with many local vendors, which at least makes getting multiple quotes for jobs much easier and, in some cases, has resulted in lower bids than we could have secured on our own.

Could we run our community properly without a management company? I think so, but it would depend on all board members educating themselves and putting in considerably more time than they do currently. Because our community is so small, we have a hard time even finding 5 people who are willing to volunteer to be on the board even with a management company in place. The management company offers some continuity between board transitions, provides a single point of contact for homeowners (believe me, you don't want people showing up on your doorstep every 10 minutes), and can limit your exposure by keeping every on track.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
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Valerie - how about your roads? entrance way signage?

RogerB (Colorado)
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Posted By ValerieS2 on 01/22/2011 3:11 PM
Without aid of a management company? How common?

Yes, some do to varying degrees of sucess. Years ago I served on several HOA Boards but in today's litigeous society, and having more knowledge of the laws, I would never serve on a Board that did not have a competent Managing Agent.
BrianB (California)
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Posted By GlenL on 01/22/2011 4:19 PM
More than that it relies on the pool of willing volunteers you have to draw from, as I remember it Brian, weren't you the last man standing? You need a steady stream of people willing to put the time and effort in.

yes I was Glen, and it worked, because the other 39 HO's had liberal amounts of apathy. I don't recommend it for everyone.

And Valerie, search the forums here for 'disbaning HOA' threads. You will find it isn't as easy as everyone voting "no". The corporation has assets (common area lands) that must be disposed of (sold) and that isn't always easy.
ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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Susan the roads ARE private and without the final cap the developer was supposed to put on before turning it over, and yes there is a sign.
From the responses, I see drawbacks and benefit to the idea. Thanks again for the insight.
ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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Glen we own the lots as well. I will definitely be doing soem research come next week.
ValerieS2 (Michigan)
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I have to say, distasteful as I original thought the idea of an HOA to be. It is a something of a fascinating subject.
DeeS1 (Michigan)
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Valerie
Check with your township/city on the road's final top coat. Depending on where you are in Michigan, many municipalities require the site developer to put up a bond, letter of credit, or performance guarantee before they issue site plan approval to ensure that the final coat is put on. Most of those things do eventually expire, so you'll want to look into if any of them are in place and see what can be done about getting it released for your top coat.

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