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MaureenM5 (Washington)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello All,

Our HOA documents do not directly state the replacement of play equipment etc., unless when it is condemed per our CCRs. Our old wood play equipment had to be removed due to dry rot. No condemnation letter from the board or request to check to see if it should be condemned by a professional desipite its obvious leaning and unsafe condition. No direction was given by the board to our PM on getting any condemnation letter. They simply asked the PM to remove the rotten items. Which seemed fine until you read the CCRs about condemnation language.

The discussion by the board at the last meeting was - Do they have to replace all of the rotten and removed play equipment or just some (the ones they only want to replace to ..save money)?

Questions:
1) Is the board required to notify the homeowners of common area play equipment removal and potential replacements.
2) Do they have to inlcude homeowners of their Plan or the costs/budget involved?
3) Are homeowners required to vote on costs for equipment needed since it comes from reserves?
4) Do they have to replace all rotten play equipment or just ones they want?

Here is the only language I could find that even relates to this:

In the event all or any potion of the Common Areas are acquired by condemnation or under threat of condemnation, the condemnation award shall be utilized by the Association to acquire, to the extent possible, comparable replacement facilities within a period of nine (9) months from the date the Association received the condemnation award or monies paid to the Association under threat of condemnation, the Association shall pay jointly to any Lot Owner and the mortgagee holding the mortgage on said Lot, if any, a pro rate share of said condemnation award or monies received attributable to said Lot.

The play equipment has been removed since 7/10 and kids miss it. I appreciate any help to the questions above.

Maureen

Maureen
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Questions:
1) Is the board required to notify the homeowners of common area play equipment removal and potential replacements.
No but it would be nice if they they did. Are the Board meetings open where H/O could learn what is going on?

2) Do they have to inlcude homeowners of their Plan or the costs/budget involved?
No but it would be nice if they they did, perhaps a committee to gather prices to replace the items.

3) Are homeowners required to vote on costs for equipment needed since it comes from reserves?
No, unless it is a requirement in your CC&R's that all expenditures from reserves must be voted on.

4) Do they have to replace all rotten play equipment or just ones they want?
Again, you would need to check the CC&R's but I would say they should be replaced. That doesn't mean that they would have to be replaced at once, they could replace a couple of pieces a year.


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KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Well, do a lot of kids actually play on the equipment? It sounds like it wouldn't have fallen apart and the property owners been so out of the loop on playground equipment if it was a cherished amenity.

My bet is if the playground is lightly used, it may not justify to insurance expense and a new purpose be found for the area now used for playground equipment.

Also, you'd think equipment could be replaced before a condemnation discussion.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Maureen,

Typically ALL common elements/ammenities are to be maintained by the association as a common expense to all and some states require reserve funding based on the expected lifetime/usefullness. The law may further state that if the element/ammenity is not reserve funded for that fact to be stated in the propsed annual budget.

The language you have posted would seem to indicate the assn. must replace the item(s) within 9 mos. of removal/condemnation or pay each lot owner their "share" of the value of the element or ammenity.

How that "value" is determined is not clear to me at this time but must be equally dispersed to all members.
MaureenM5 (Washington)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello Kelly,

Thanks for responding Kelly and all. Yes, the play equipment is played with all the time. We have over 60+/- kids here under 10 yrs. Parents and kids here have been asking about the replacement since the wood equipment started leaning and looking scary. Well, acutally way before that but owner observations were ignored. The equipment should have been replace a long time ago but the previous boards wanted to save money.. you know the story.

So, after all the replies it sounds like to me that the board can pick and chose what equipment to replace even without owner input and when. Since they do not want to include owners or create a committee to help in the decision making (this was stated by the BOD at the meeting to alleviate too much discussion and future meetings)..

I guess they get to hear about the gripes and compliemnts when some items are replaced if ever. Let's hope they choose well.

Maureen

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Having just replaced some play equipment for our Association I can say that it is not cheap. Additionally, there may be new regulations or guidelines from the State that need to be followed that could increase the cost. Once we did decide what and how much, it took about 6 weeks before the equipment was installed.

It is also possible that the board members do not understand how much the play equipment is used. Perhaps if you could get your neighbors to individually contact the board (works much better then a petition) asking when the equipment will be replaced will get the project moved to the front burner (so to speak).

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I would think the board would act ASAP since the liability for neglect of rotting wooded playground equipment could be quite costly. This is a no-brainer to me. At least remove the faulty equipment.

Pa It would be nice if there were a couple of kids on the committee, too.

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