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LindaN3 (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
For the past 10 years, our HOA Board Secretary has been our "Bookkeeper", a paid employee, not on the Board of course. Our Bylaws clearly state that the Office of Secretary is to be a voted on annually Board member. As a Board member, I have pointed this discrepancy out to the President and want it fixed immediately to be a Board member. Does everyone here agree with this, or how better could it and should it be handled?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If that is what your bylaws say, then yes I would agree.

However, if there would be nothing preventing a member of the board to be a paid for providing bookkeeping services. It can be perceived as a conflict of interest but in reality isn't, especially if the individual was doing the bookkeeping services prior to being voted onto the Board.

Our bylaws say that the members elect the directors and that the Directors appoint the officers. The only stipulation is that the office of President must be filled by a board member. Other offices could be filled by anyone who is appointed. However, I know that other Associations actually elect Directors to fill certain positions.

I'm glad you took the interest to read your bylaws and discover the discrepancies. Perhaps you will even volunteer to fill the position of Secretary, or any other office.

Tim
LindaN3 (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Thank you. Our 7 member board was elected last September. None of the Board members are paid for their work on the Board and none of them are employees of the Association. It is just clearly a matter that needs to be fixed, and of course, as a Board member, I'd volunteer for the position. My point is that it should not be a position automatically handled by our paid employee "Bookkeeper", who is not on the Board.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Our HOA requires the secretary to be a board member. If you like the current secretary's performance, pay her/him professionally and remove his/her voting power and board position. This seems rather simple but I completely understand the "HOA factor" that can interfere w/ common sense.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Linda,

If your Incorporation papers list a Secretary as one of the Officers, then you need to have one. If the Board wishes to continue to have a paid employee write the minutes and do other secretarial duties, then those documents should be sent to the association Secretary who should be responsible for keeping all association documents, notes and other duties which should be spelled out in your Docs. A "bookkeeper is totally different than a secretary and you should follow your documents. Do volunteer to take this position.
BarbaraB10 (California)
Posts: 117
Posted:
The by-laws in my HOA contain a compensation clause, in that no director shall receive compensation for any service rendered to the corporation. They may be reimbursed by the approval of the board for actual out of pocket expenses that occur in the performance of duties.

Do your by-laws contain a similar clause?
LindaN3 (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Yes. I would suppose the Board could delegate the responsibilities to our current nonboard, paid employee as it has been. But there needs to be a Board Secretary voted by the Board to hold the position. Question would be, assuming that happens, who determines if we delegate the minute taking, etc. (per our Bylaws) to our "Bookkeeper". Would that be the Board-assigned Secretary to decide that or would the whole Board make that decision?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Linda,

I thought I understood but with your last post I'm confused. Do your bylaws say that the membership votes on the position of secretary or that the Board votes on the position of Secretary (i.e. an appointment by the Board)?

Does the governing documents specify that the Secretary shall be a member of the Board?

Could you post that section of your bylaws that you are talking about?

Tim
LindaN3 (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Sorry if I confused any or all. Here's how the Bylaw reads, specifically the section entitled "Officers".

The executive officers of the Association shall be a President (who shall be a director), a Vice President (who shall be a director), a Treasurer, a Secretary, and an Assistant Secretary, all of whom shall be elected annually by the Board of Directors and who may be perremptorily removed by vote of the directors at any meeting. Any person may hold 2 or more offices, except that the President shall not also be the Secretary of an Assistant Secretary. The Board of Directors from time to time shall elect such other officers and designate their powers and duties as the Board shall find it to be necessary or convenient to manage the affairs of the Association.

Also under the section entitled "Secretary" it says....The Secretary shall keep the minutes of all proceedings of the directors and the members in a businesslike manner and available for inspection by apartment(condo) owners and directors at all reasonable times. He(she) shall attent to the giving and serving of all notices to the members and directors and other notices required by law. He shall have custody of the seal of the Association and afffix it to the instruments requiring a seal when duly signed. He shall keep the records of the Association, except those of the Treasurer, and shall perform all other duties incident to the office of Secretary of an Association and as may be required by the directors or the President. The Assistant Secretary shall perform the duties of the Secretary when the Secretary is absent.

Up until now, our Property Manager (CAM) and Bookkeeper of our property have been doing all of this. I feel strongly according to the above excerpts of our Bylaws, it should be a Board member assigned those duties. Am I correct?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Linda,

Thanks for posting the actual bylaw.

Based on reading your bylaw, I would say that your Secretary is appointed by the Board and the seat does not have to be filled by a Director.

Therefore, having your non-elected bookkeeper as the Secretary would be legal.

It should be noted that Officers do not vote on issues at the Board meetings. Therefore, if your bookkeeper was not elected by the membership to the Board, then even if they are holding the position of Secretary - they do not have a vote in any issue being voted on

Now, your bylaws, by saying the officers are elected/appointed by the Board annually, that Officers serve for one year terms and then must be reappointed. However, if someone is going to stay in the same office, this would just be a procedural issue.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LindaN3 on 01/08/2011 9:33 AM

Also under the section entitled "Secretary" it says....The Secretary shall keep the minutes of all proceedings of the directors and the members in a businesslike manner and available for inspection by apartment(condo) owners and directors at all reasonable times. He(she) shall attent to the giving and serving of all notices to the members and directors and other notices required by law. He shall have custody of the seal of the Association and afffix it to the instruments requiring a seal when duly signed. He shall keep the records of the Association, except those of the Treasurer, and shall perform all other duties incident to the office of Secretary of an Association and as may be required by the directors or the President. The Assistant Secretary shall perform the duties of the Secretary when the Secretary is absent.

Up until now, our Property Manager (CAM) and Bookkeeper of our property have been doing all of this. I feel strongly according to the above excerpts of our Bylaws, it should be a Board member assigned those duties. Am I correct?

Sorry, forgot to address this question.

I would interpret this to be that the Secretary was responsible for the issuing of the notices,etc. However, that doesn't mean that they couldn't delegate the actual work to someone else, like the property manager. They are just responsible to make sure the task is properly done.

Tim
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
IMO bylaws are generally written with the asumption that there is no managing company. Our managing compnay handles the general work of secretary and treasurer.
We have a treasurer who checks the financial records for accuracy and to be sure bills are being paid etc but doesn't do the actual accounting.
We also have a secretary who provides additional services to supplement the work done by the MC but we don't do our own minutes, store records etc.This includes things like an occasional letter to an owner that we want to come directly from the board, updating document binders for the board members, an occasional newsletter, pre checking meeting minutes for board approval etc.
Although our bylaws are almost identical to yours, our understanding is that the MC can legally handle those duties.

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