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SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
While looking through our community's Offering Plan, I found this paragraph:

"(Name of management company deleted) has submitted a proposal to act as Managing Agent for a term of three (3) years from the closing of title to the last home in the development to manage the Condominium and Association for the amount set forth in Schedules B and B-1. There is no provision for early termination."

Our community is about 1/2 built now so the builder runs the show and runs the board (4 votes to 3). When turnover time comes, are the residents somehow obligated to a proposal that apparently was made 4 years ago when the builder began this condominium project?

This paragraph is buried among 487 pages of the Offering Plan. It essentially says that when the last home is sold and the builder leaves, we are somehow obligated to keep him on, pay him what was agreed to, and we cannot fire him for any reason.

Thanks,
Steve
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The simple answer is yes.

This is simple contract law. If your contract has no provision to terminate early then unless there is a mutual agreement to terminate, the Board will be stuck with those terms and conditions. Something to learn when entering into new contracts.

Mind you, based on what you posted you are only obligated for three years from the end of closing on the last unit.

Tim
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
Thanks, Tim.
I have questioned our board members and none have any recollection of ever voting upon the contract.
Without the board approval, can the builder enter into a contract that takes effect when he is no longer in charge?
Steve
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Not knowing when the contract was enacted, I can offer two possible explanations:

1. Association was under full control of the Developer -

That is to say, the contract was entered into prior to anyone being on the Board but the developer.

2. Action without a meeting -

If State law and/or governing documents allow, there is a procedure called action without a meeting. This is when a Board member may act on behalf of the Board (based on the positional authority) without previous approval and without prior notice providing the member has the minimal number of votes required (in your case, the Developer holds the majority of the votes) or if there is expectation that approval would have been granted (like the need to remove a tree that fell in a storm and is now blocking access to the development).

Action without a meeting is typically mentioned in Corporate law.

Hope this helps,

Tim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
After transition but before the last unit is sold, I would suggest that the "Homeowner Board" have an attorney look over the section and the contract. If the contract does not take effect until the last unit is sold then it may be as simple as amending the covenants before that happens. Not an attorney but I believe the contract could be terminated for cause i.e. if the MC did not adhere to the terms of the contract. You also may be able to void it if the fees are outside the normal and usual market fees.

In Ohio they changed the law to prevent things like this from happening: 5311.25

(D) Unless a contract or other agreement is renewed by a vote of the unit owners exercising a majority of the voting power of the unit owners association, neither the unit owners association nor the unit owners shall be subject to either of the following:

(1) For more than ninety days subsequent to the date that the unit owners other than the developer assume control of the unit owners association, any management contract executed prior to that assumption of control;

(2) For more than one year subsequent to an assumption of control, any other contract executed prior to that assumption of control, except for contracts for necessary utility services.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I am wondering . . . .

"submited a proposal" sounds like an offer, not a mandatory set-up.

I wonder if it would have to be approved by the Homeowners to accept this "proposal".

What is its purpose?: Well, this scenario would give homeowners who are not ready to assume the HOA time to get themselves together.

But it sounds like you don't need the "bridge" coverage offered.

SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
We have an "Open" board meeting on Tuesday, and I submitted three questions about that proposal:

There has been no mention of this in any board minutes. Please describe the exact status of this proposal, why the lack of provision for early termination, and has it been approved by any entity associated with this community?

Hopefully, I will get a meaningful explanation.

Question to GlenL... We are in New York. How can I find out if these is a similar law in New York preventing the developer from shoving something down our throats without even consulting us.
Steve
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Go to: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMLAWS scroll down to RPP Real Property and click on it. Then scroll down to Article 9-A (Subdivided Lands) or 9-B (Condominiums) and click on that link to get to the laws.

You keep saying that it is in the "Community's Offering Plan"; is this the prospectus and does it have the CC&R's and just where in the prospectus does it fall? Covenants, By-Laws or general information? I suspect that it is a valid contract that the HOA Developer's Board entered into and is probably valid. To know for sure you will need a legal opinion and the HOA Homeowner Board would probably have to fight it in court.

Like it or not until transition (turnover) the Declarant pretty much has carte blanch to do as they please. Note I did not say it was right but that is how it is and anyone who has moved into a HOA under development has lived through it. Like I posted before, while there may not be an early termination clause, that doesn't mean it can't be broken but to do that you will need legal help.

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