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AmyH4 (Virginia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We are a relatively new community - well close to 5 years old now- and our developer gladly takes our dues every January but they have yet to provide us with an annual report or any documentation showing how those funds are being managed. The main things they need to provide are seasonal mowing of common areas and snow removal. They haven't exactly lived up to their end of the bargain on either. We have had it and are calling our first unofficial homeowners meeting on January 8. I would love some input on how we can proceed on taking this over. We want to put our dues that are supposed to be paid by end of January into our own account so that we can start taking over but we don't know what the legal ramifications are and of course there are the concerns regarding property taxes being paid on the common areas, liens on our properties because we didn't pay them the dues and also that they still own some houses that they rent so we won't get that share of the money.

We need help!

Thanks,
Amy
NoeW (Alaska)
Posts: 25
Posted:
What does your docs. say regarding percentage of homes sold or a timeframe for turnover to occur?

Assuming the developer is still solvent and wishes to retain control you MAY be stuck as you have no voting rights or BOD representation until turnover.

Google your state HOA laws to see if a forced turnover is even possible and what steps could be taken.

There are Virginia members here who maybe able to give you some "better" news.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
No, Noe you hit it on the head, the turnover time should be in the CC&R's usually when 75% of the development is built out or after X number of years. Amy doing what you want and I understand the desire, would put all of your homes at risk. The developer could file liens on each home that didn't pay the official HOA. At the very least you all would be drawn into an expensive and time consuming legal battle. I would still have your meeting and get everyone to kick in $20.00 or so and hire an attorney versed in property matters to advise the homeowners.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Noa,

If the development is not a condo, VA Property Owners Association Act would apply. Which States that books and records are turned over on a simple majority:

ยง 55-509.2. Documents to be provided by declarant upon transfer of control.

Unless previously provided to the board of directors of the association, once the majority of the members of the board of directors are owners of improved lots in the association and the declarant no longer holds a majority of the votes in the association, the declarant shall provide to the board of directors or its designated agent the following: (i) all association books and records held by or controlled by the declarant, including without limitation, minute books and rules and regulations and all amendments thereto which may have been promulgated; (ii) a statement of receipts and expenditures from the date of the recording of the association documents to the end of the regular accounting period immediately succeeding the first election of the board of directors by the home owners, not to exceed sixty days after the date of the election, such statement being prepared in an accurate and complete manner, utilizing the accrual method of accounting; (iii) a copy of the latest available approved plans and specifications for all improvements in the project or as-built plans if available; (iv) all association insurance policies which are currently in force; (v) written unexpired warranties of the contractors, subcontractors, suppliers, and manufacturers, if any, relative to all common area improvements; (vi) any contracts in which the association is a contracting party; and (vii) a list of manufacturers of paints, roofing materials and other similar materials if specified for use on the association property.

If the association is managed by a common interest community manager in which the declarant, or its principals, have no pecuniary interest or management role, then such common interest community manager shall have the responsibility to provide the documents and information required by clauses (i), (ii), (iv), and (vi).

(1996, c. 618; 2008, cc. 851, 871.)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Amy,

Has the Association been incorporated yet? Sometimes, developers won't incorporate an HOA until later into the development. The requirement for annual meetings are in VA corporation act vs. the Property Owners act.

Here are some links that may be helpful:

Virginia Nonstock Corporation Act only applies if your Association is incorporated under this act.

Virginia Property Owners' Association Act

Virginia Condominium Act if your development is a condominium

Fairfax County Community Association Manual A good plain language interpretation of VA laws and how they apply to Associations - Good info and very applicable even if you are not in Fairfax County

The Office of the Common Interest Community Ombudsman

hope they help.

Tim
AmyH4 (Virginia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I appreciate the replies so much - thank you. We don't have the majority of the land yet which is the problem. The economy hit hard and development stopped. We don't think the builder is very solvent though although we have no real proof at this time. I will research the links, etc provided and I really appreciate that. We just have to find some recourse to get this pitiful developer to do what they are supposed to do. I just don't see how they can take our money every year and not do anything for us or tell us what they are spending it on, etc.

Thanks again,
Amy
NoeW (Alaska)
Posts: 25
Posted:
TomB4,

I think you have missed the state of the situation and the OP's question as posted here.

I read this:
"We have had it and are calling our first unofficial homeowners meeting on January 8. I would love some input on how we can proceed on taking this over."...

...as meaning the owners want to force takeover not [just] obtain documents.

Though not stipulated here, the declarant likely has a majority of votes due to membership class and there are NO HOs on the BOD.

I'm not going to wade through a bunch of links so, Specifically how would 55-509.2 and the other laws be relevant in this case?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Noe,

I did get the OP frustration. I gathered from the two posts that they are frustrated that the development isn't finished. They are frustrated that annual reports are not being made. They are frustrated that annual meetings are not being held. This is all we know, that and the fact that the homeowners are calling a meeting - probably to discuss options.

Since you and Glen pointed out to read the governing documents, there was no need for me to repeat it. Therefore, I provided links to applicable State laws that will provided additional information and background for options when they have their meeting. To have the tools necessary to research the options available to them under the law.

Noe you stated that "I'm not going to wade through a bunch of links so, Specifically how would 55-509.2 and the other laws be relevant in this case?"

Lets face it, the Developer is probably going to throw out these same laws as a defense. Therefore, if someone doesn't take the time to see how a law will be relevant. They will not have the knowledge to know if the developer is quoting the law properly and be able to call them on it right there. They will not have the tools necessary to fully understand what they are getting into.

You and I and everyone on this board can not fight the fight for them. All we can do is help provide options based on our understanding of the issues (which typically isn't a full understanding) and the law as we know it (which may or may not be applicable to the Original postera State). The Original poster will need to (or should) verify to see if what is being offered is applicable to their situation and supported by their States law. All I did was provide tools for them to use or ignore at their option.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Amy,

I think it would be a good gesture to invite the developer to the meeting your having. If they don't show, that is their choice. If they do show, you can ask more specific questions and air concerns. Make sure someone takes minutes of the meeting so there is some kind of record.

If the Association is incorporated, you can ask the developer why they are choosing to not follow the procedures outlined in the law. If you don't like the answer, you can contact the VA corporation commission and file a complaint. If the developer has the majority control, it probably won't change the outcome of anything but it would, hopefully, start having procedures followed which would/should increase the flow of information.

Here is a link to Virginia's Corporation Commission web site

Tim

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