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LorenzoP
Posts: 3
Posted:
Looking for suggestions in dealing with repeat violator of parking rules. Some owners/occupants continue to park their vehicles in the guest parking. Any suggestions on how to deal with this problem? BOD members have left violation notices, but, have not gotten to the point of actually bringing fines to bear. Is there any other tip we can use to somehow correct this behavior before we levy fines? CCR's and HOA rules clearly states that no homeowner/occupant may use the Guest parking. Thx Lorenzo, Island Villas, CA.
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Lorenzo,

You're being awfully nice to these people by not fining or towing them. All the warning letters in the world won't have an effect if the people don't want to abide by the rules.

Your only logical choice now is to fine them. Once it starts costing them money, then they'll reconsider their decision to park in the guest spaces.

My HOA had that same problem, residents started parking overnight in the guest only spaces. When one owner saw their neighbor doing it with no repercussions, then more people started doing it. Eventually all the guest spaces were filled by owners. After we started fining people, the word spread quickly and the problem was solved.
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
There are a number of ideas posted on this site regarding parking. You can do a search to find them. Anything from fines, towing, stickers for residents and guests, etc.
CynthiaD (Nevada)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Providing small visible stickers on the windshield or rear view-mirror
has proven effective. Get some from Peachtree business products.

I am not sure how many parking spaces you must keep track of and if they are in fact assigned. However, some one must monitor the this and see to it stickers
are issued to EVERY ONE who is authroized.

Guests generally do not know the rules. Maybe you can post a note at
the entrance to the gate/mailboxes, at the carports. Newsletters usually go in the
circular file.

I wouldn't just go ahead and fine unless you know absolutely sure who is the violator. Check you local ordinances for your City/County for any applicable parking
provisions that are in additiona to your governing docs.
Cynthia

CynthiaD (Nevada)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Let's not forget people will be visiting for the holidays throughout
the end of the year. Remember to be cosistent in what you do ion fact do.
LorenzoP
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hi Patrick,

I was recently assigned the parking issues for our HOA. Thanks for the tips. It is now up to this Marine to handle the parking mission. Lorenzo
AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
Stickers, etc all well and good BUT... what happens in a condo area where 60% are renters and the tenants change (in many cases) every other month. How is the policing done to control the stickers, the uncaring tenants. It even seems plausible that we would have to hire a person to JUST take care of the issuance of parking stickers due to the heavy changeover.. Any suggestions on this point?
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
We had an issue with unregistered owner vehicles in guest parking. You won't be invited to their Christmas parties, but towing was an effective solution for us when "nice" didn't work.
AliceN2 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
In our HOA, we have found that being "nice" or "patient" simply will not work with some people (owners or tenants) who do not care about the rules. The thing that gets their attention is a fine, or threat of a fine. I would rather it not get to this point, but sometimes this is the only thing that seems to work.

We had a car which appeared to be "stored" on our property for three weeks. It did not move; we had no idea who it belonged to. We put a notice on it one Sunday afternoon stating the owner needed to move it or contact the PM or it would be towed within 24 hours.

The car was gone within the next 45 minutes.

It is unfortunate but a very real fact of life that some folks just push the limits. It is so very ego-centric...the boards and PMs end up dealing with adults who act like immature adolescents.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Check with your local police about towing, many want the make, model and tag reported to them upon towing and where the car was towed. Make sure you follow your local ordinances with regard to towing. I have always found the Chief of Police to be great in gathering this information of the do's and dont's.

Call several towing companies in the area, place duly noted signs up that the vehicle will be towed at the Owners expense. Order the nice stickers red ones and place it on the drivers side window that in 24 hours the car will be towed. Then call the towing companies.

We had 1 company make sweeps at night and anyone parking in the alleyways or illegally, he hitched them up and off they went. Word got out and they stopped parking illegally.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Slap a boot on there and give them the key after you receive the cash...
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Brad, you are too funny!

For those of you suggesting towing. While it may be OK in condo assns or gated communities with private streets, better be careful in planned communities with public streets. You may be able to regulate parking on public streets, but towing vehicles is another matter. Best to call the P.D. and report an abandoned vehicle. If you know who the vehicle belongs send a violation letter. If he continues to violate the rule then slap him with fines.
JaneK (California)
Posts: 175
Posted:
Lorenzo,
Start with fines, if that doesn't work tow. Be sure you are in complaince with CA Vehicle Code Section 22658. It allows hefty fines to the associaion if you don't. Also only a law enforcement offical can use a boot type device in CA.
Jane
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I have never been a huge fan of towing, the possibility of vehicle damage and lawsuits is great. If you are going to make sure you have your I's dotted and T's crossed.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jane,

The CA vehicle code you've cited is for towing from private property, including HOA private property. That does not mean public streets located within the HOAs private property, right? As I mentioned earlier, I don't believe you can legally tow from public streets; but of course I may be wrong. Just quoting what I've heard from attorneys here in AZ.
JaneK (California)
Posts: 175
Posted:
BradP,
That is especially true under CA law. Plus there are fines to the association if the i’s aren’t dotted and t’s aren’t crossed. I’m not a fan of it either.

MaryA,
As far as I know an HOA has absolutely NO control of parking on public streets, at least in CA, don’t know about AZ.
Jane
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jane,

It's a hot topic in AZ. Most assn docs state no parking on the street, even those HOAs that are planned communities with public streets. For the past two years there has been a bill b/4 the legislature making it against the law for HOAs to restrict parking on public streets. Both years it's gone nowhere because of the overwhelming outcry against the bill.
JaneK (California)
Posts: 175
Posted:
Curious Mary, who would be against it? Never mind, I think I know.
Jane
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Our streets are public.

There are very few communities or developments over the last 10 or 15 years that are gated or have private roads.

We can still restrict parking on the public streets within the stated designation of our subdivision (whatever the boundaries are listed in the declaration), but the parking of residents.

We can't restrict anyone who doesn't live here, however, so that when people come to fish in our lake, and they park on the street in excess of 4 hours or overnight, there's not a darn thing we can do to them if they aren't part of the membership.

We can, however, restrict the homeowners, even with it being a public road.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

We can also restrict guests of homeowners. Some BODs go too far by sending notices if they see a car parked one time. I've heard of a case where the homeowner had a visiting nurse who's car was the subject of a violation notice. In my assn the P.M. only sends a notice if a vehicle is repeatedly parked over a course of several days.

In answer to Jane's question - who was against the bill? Homeowners living in associations! I've found that most homeowners want the parking restricted. There are a number of reasons, the biggest being narrow streets. I won't go into detail, just suffice it to say it's a big problem which allowing parking on the street will only compound.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I know. We had a resident who had an oxygen service visiting daily for quite some time.

We would invariably get calls from her neighbors.

Come on, people, aside from the fact that it's not a resident, have some common sense and compassion!

The complaint was mostly that it was a "commercial vehicle" *DUH -- commercial vehicles are allowed if there to do work!*

But sometimes the van would park in the street. That's when the calls would come in. And it wouldn't even be there 4 hours, which is our restriction, less than 4 hours is okay.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexL1 on 04/24/2008 8:26 AM
Stickers, etc all well and good BUT... what happens in a condo area where 60% are renters and the tenants change (in many cases) every other month. How is the policing done to control the stickers, the uncaring tenants. It even seems plausible that we would have to hire a person to JUST take care of the issuance of parking stickers due to the heavy changeover.. Any suggestions on this point?

Alex I have heard of associations that use plastic placards that hang from the mirror or can be placed on the dashboard and charge H/O's a $10-20 dollar deposit for them. Return them when you move and you get your deposit back; lose it and you have to buy another one. If it's a renter the HOA deals with the owner of the property and they are the one responsible for the placard and getting it back from their tenant.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

Who sets the 4-hr timer?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
The nosy busy-body who makes it his business to keep everyone in line.

You don't have one of those in your HOA?

You should get one.

They work cheap and never sleep.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
LOL I love it!!!

We have 1,702 members so I'm sure there must be at least one! But, I'm not on the board so I don't know and don't have to deal with it. Been there, done that! We have an outstanding prop. mgr who checks the community herself and does a very good job of it. With this many homes, and even a nosy busy-body or two, it's hard to catch everything.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 04/26/2008 3:10 PM
The nosy busy-body who makes it his business to keep everyone in line.

You don't have one of those in your HOA?

You should get one.

They work cheap and never sleep.

I've nicknamed ours Mrs. Kravitz because she is so like the original one on Bewitched.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
perhaps a nice sticker, with really GOOD glue, slapped right on the driver's window. You know the kind of sticker, the kind that takes 6 gallons of acetone and a propane torch to loosen, and even then, the glue sticks around for years, attracting dust and dirt.

Slap one or twenty of those on a window, and sooner or later, the owner will get tired of spending his sunday afternoons with a razor blade and nail polish remover, and will learn to park nicely.

And, since a sticker is temporary, and YOU cannot be responsible for the owner's inability to find the right solvent/removal method, it's non-tortable. Stick to windows, glue cannot damage glass. Glue can damage paint, so do NOT put on car itself. that is tortable.
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Brian- Great idea.

I have thought about using those stickers for our notices to those who park on the grass, in front of the mailboxes, block in their neighbors, etc. Is it legal to do? If these folks are inconvenienced by having to remove day-glo orange stickers a couple of times, I bet that would modify their behavior.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Legal? Basically, anything you do in this world is illegal once you step outside your home (there's a law someone somewhere can use to prosecute you). However, i would simply practive my best puppy dog look, and repeat the following in a mirror:

Your honor, we had no idea these simple harmless stickers were causing such a ruckus. They were merely intended to advise and educate people, not be be any form of punishment.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Karen;

Check with your local police department, but in most states it is legal to place a violation sticker on the driver's side window; not the windshield.

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