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DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
In our neighborhood of 42 homes we have a small park adjacent to a large city owned sports complex, with a walking trail, soccer fields and baseball fields. There is a fence between the two properties. On this fence, on our side in our park are two signs which say, "Park & Facility for use by Pleasantville Homeowners and Guests. Please respect our property." When we moved here we were told this was a private park for our use. The real estate agents selling houses that come up for sale tell prospective buyers this. After a series of incidents with me as President, living two doors from the park, informing non-residents nicely they could not use the park, a holy uproar could be heard. Apparently, there are several people who think anyone should be able to use the park as long as they are behaving appropriately. I spoke with our insurance agent who said while the policy is not written for "private property" if the use of the property is more active than typical association use, it could be problematic. Our sign seems to say it all to me. Our covenants are totally silent about common area usage other than maintenance of weeds, mowing, watering etc. Before I became President a Common Area Committee was supposed to establish Park Policy but it didn't, and there is nothing in any of the Minutes from 1998 to the present that address any policy. This will be on the Agenda for our Annual Meeting next month and I would appreciate any input from my fellows here at HOA Talk. Thank you
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Start using the "L" word - Liability.

Or

increase your insurance coverage.

Both will cost $$ for the homeowners.

PS Enforcement is a key issue. Perhaps you need better fences.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Yes, liability will most definitely be raised again, as it has been in the past. Both the Association coverage and individual homeowner's coverage covers liability. But people tend to forget that insurance is something you want to have but you don't want to use. Our little park has a play structure with swings and slide as well as a basketball court. This back entrance is considered an emergency vehicle entrance, with a locked gate between our street to the playing fields. But there is an opening intentionally large enough for bicycle and foot traffic to access the public park. Our neighborhood streets are all public, and none of us mind anyone just walking through our neighborhood to get to the park, or to the high school across the street from park. It's when the families have brought the kids to watch the soccer games, and their other kids wander over to play in our park, or other folks walk over from adjoining neighborhoods and use our park as if it were a public park that turns our "Park for the use of the homeowners and guests," into a public park. It was the actual enforcement of the logical interpretation of that sign that caused the "enforcers" to hear things like, "elitist," "police-state," and "exclusive." Nobody, even those of us who believe the park is private, wants to put a fence up. I'm wondering if any other homeowners association in the Forum here has a similar situation? I guess I am just baffled as to how that sign can be understood to say, "Y'all come on in."
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
all i can contribute is to place more signage, perhaps on posts near the sidewalks/walkways that also state "private property", etc. In Arizona, HOA's with the little 'lakes' had the same issues, outside people coming in, trying to picnic, boat, fish, etc.. THe most successful HOA's learned to increase signage so that no one could claim ignorance, and work with the local police so that the beat cops knew the area, knew the HOA board, knew the rules, and knew that the HOA was firm but fair and needed assistance when the call went out.

and diligence... you just have to keep calling the police about the trespassers, and working the system.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
I wanted to put up attractive signs right as anyone would be making the decision to hang out, by the picnic table, on the swings, or the curb even. The non-residents always leave when asked, so calling the police would be moot. Plus, the issue that got everyone riled was even asking non-residents to leave in the first place! If the police were called, heads would roll. I'm just trying to figure out how to accommodate the homeowners who believe the park is private and not for non-resident use, and the homeowners who believe that the park, while owned and maintained by the residents, has public privileges as long as behavior is appropriate. What does private mean? What does public mean? Do the signs need to say something different? What do we tell potential buyers? Yes, it's our park but anyone can use it? Is that a selling point? No, the "Yes, it's a private park for the residents and their guests," most definitely is, and was for probably, I suspect, most homeowners when considering buying their house, especially those with children.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
You might just have to consider installing a larger fence with no access to the public land.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Dorothy I don't want to belabor the obvious but what do the CC&R's say about the common areas? I would speculate they are for the exclusive use of homeowners and their invited guests. Know that no matter what the Board decides to do, there will be H/O's that disagree. You can't let the desire to please everyone stop you from doing what is right. You can also check with the local Park Board to see if there was some type of agreement between the original developer and the PB regarding access.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Glen, unbelievably the CC&R's say absolutely nothing about the uses of the common areas! In fact they aren't mentioned at all, other than the "lots and portions therof" are included as the real property of the whole development as described in the CC&R's. Then, from that point on, it's all about what is permitted on individual lots. I could ask the original developer as he lives not far from here. I have, in fact, called him up before to ask him about the history of our wetlands. But in the end, you are right. We won't please everyone and I suspect things will go on as they have. If no Park Policy is forthcoming, those who believed when they bought their home it was a private park will have full authority to point out the signs, and ask nicely for any non-residents to leave. Anyone who believes the park is for anyone who is behaving appropriately can just let them be. The large fence is definitely not an option. It's not what anyone wants.

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