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MC4 (Florida)
Posts: 29
Posted:
We have a member of the ARB committee that does a lot of the handyman work around our community. Especially in the common areas. He does it so we can save money. I know that it's illegal to pay a board member. Would he be considered a board member? Is there any way that we can pay him for his services. He does not have a license, but he is a retired contractor. I am not sure if this is legal, and at the same time, we do not want to be accused of illegal activities.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
In most states a person can appointed by the Board be on a committee without having been elected to sit on the Board of Directors. In such an instance he or she may indeed propose that the Board pay him for tasks performed selected by that Committee. Whether or not the Board does so is decided by the laws of the state, then your By-Laws, then your Covenants, and finally by the vote of the Board.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Why wouldn't you pay him? Just like everyone else he is providing a service to the property and at the same time saving everyone money.

Or would you like to thank him by not paying him anything.

I would doubt there would be many restrictions in any state laws, or your documents addressing this situation. That you leave it up to your Board to make a common sense decision which would serve the best interests of the property.

This person is going out of his way to improve, maintain your property while saving you money. I would make every effort to show him some level of appreciation. And those critics be damned.

If you stand on your head and spit quarters someone will complain or question your actions.

IMO this person is a valuable asset to your community to continue to use them without some pay IMO would be wrong.

Hire them as an employee, cover them for workers comp. and reap the benefits.

This type of situation is what being a Board member is all about.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
MCr,

It may be "illegal" to pay a board member but that only means he cannot be paid for being a board member. If a board member performs a service for the assn he may be paid if the majority of the board agree to him performing the service. However, being a member of the ARB is not a board position. I see nothing wrong with paying this person for services performed. Some may complain as it may give the "appearance" of being improper, but it is not as long as a majority of the board are in agreement.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
It depends on your state.
In VA it is a big no-no for a member of the Board to profit in ANY way. Clearly if a contract has been awarded to a Board member an illegal conflict of interest situation existed. Rather large fines are involved in HOAs violating the state regs. No sane HOA (or knowledgeable owner) would go there. There is a very narrow exception for actual reimbursements of money laid out by a Board member doing HOA business. Examples would be court filing fees accompanied by a receipt turned in to the Secretary which were paid in cash when suing over assessments, certain US Post Office costs for which checks can't be used, paper and ink from Office Max when the Board has specifically pre-approved so and so to go there and buy it and turn the receipt in to the Treasurer, etc.

The example cited in the original post is way, way, outside that exemption and in VA someone from the state with a badge would probably be interested. The ethical thing for that person to do would be to step down from the Board. The smart thing for the rest of the Board to do would be to demand he either do so or cancel the contract.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
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Posted By MC4 on 12/04/2010 11:01 AM
We have a member of the ARB committee that does a lot of the handyman work around our community. Especially in the common areas. He does it so we can save money. I know that it's illegal to pay a board member. Would he be considered a board member? Is there any way that we can pay him for his services. He does not have a license, but he is a retired contractor. I am not sure if this is legal, and at the same time, we do not want to be accused of illegal activities.

He is not a Board member; but even if he were he could be hired as an independent contractor. To remove an apparent conflict of interests whenever hiring a resident, a committee member, or a Board member get sealed bids and have the Board members select the contractor. Also, require him to carry insurance just like any other contractor.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
The potential conflict of interest is not in him doing the work, but in him voting on the matter (on awarding the work or on making payments, if he is a vendor or potential vendor).

If the decision is made by the ARB on which he sits, as long as he recuses himself from voting on anything related to his work, that removes the conflict.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
Were I in that community, I would complain that simply not being the Board member to cast the vote to award him the contract isn't enough separation from the issue.

Board members (in VA anyway) live near each other, their kids play together, they eat meals in each other's houses and drink beer together during football games being watched on the TV in someone's house, their wives shop together, etc., in short, they socialize and (legally TG) occasionally agree to some things and matters concerning the Board outside of the Board meeting. Under the method you cite each Board member could in theory get some money out of the Board simply by not voting when their piece of the pie comes up for a vote. Sounds like a system designed by 'Lucky Thompson.' No, I disagree. The issue is not just that he or she did or didn't vote on the proposal that gave him money. Rather instead the degree of separation was not enough and such a contract should only be awarded if they were not a member of the Board of Directors.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
I think the generally accepted standard is direct financial interest of the voting member.

Ideally an Association should have a Conflict of Interest Policy, which should state the criteria and procedures for determining a conflict. That policy could specify personal affiliation with an individual with a financial interest.

As a practical matter, an HOA is generally made up of neighbors who know each other. Just about everyone either likes or dislikes a lot of their neighbors. If you make that a conflict of interest criterion, then you'd run into situations where no one could decide anything. So, you really have to decide that the Board cannot do business with any Member, or take sealed bids and make full disclosure to avoid favoritism, or just trust your neighbors' judgment. I like the middle option, combined with the neighbor who has the direct financial interest in a matter not voting on that matter.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
Actually in my own HOA, when I was President, with Board approval I canceled all the contracts held by Association Members or their relatives, then reissued them all on an advertised in the newspaper, and we selected them on a sealed bids basis with separate Q&A interviews by the entire Board of the top 3. We also exempted from consideration any owners in the Association. Lots of howls of protest. Strangely enough however, being done without consideration as to who is a friend of who, cut our HOA costs by over 40%. Imagine that. Suddenly a grass mowing contract which had climbed in a decade to $15,000 a year with automatic renewals because it was done by the son-in-law of the previous President became an $8,000 annual contract, etc., etc. My successor has continued the policy of newspaper ads, with sealed bids from non-resident licensed contractors only.

I emerged from the experience secure in the knowledge that if there is someone in the community who doesn't hate the President, then he isn't doing his job properly.

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