TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posts: 21,062
Posted:
In a previous thread, a member of this forum offered the following comment:
For the record, I am a member of my Associations Board, serving as it's President. I am not personally, nor is the Association, a member of the CAI. However, I strongly believe that the Association needs to protect itself from possible litigation by using simple common sense. This common sense includes hiring licenses contractors.
The reason for having a licensed contractor, can be better demonstrated with the following scenario:
HOA owns a snow blower that is available for members to use as needed. A resident checks out the snow blower and in the process of using it throws a rock through your window, which also strikes your child causing injuries. You now have a broken window and medical bills to pay for. Who should pay - The resident who used the snow blower or the Association who allowed them to use it? Either way, you just want to reimbursed for the damages so you file legal action (costing you more money)against both of them. The resident tries to protect himself by filing legal action against the Association saying that they should have never allowed him to use the equipment without proper training. This causes additional legal expenses for the Association. Before the court even hears the case the Association now passes a special assessment to pay the legal bills. You - who suffered the actual damages, are still responsible (as a member of the Association) for your share of that special assessment. Now you are out even more money and you still haven't even had the case heard.
All of the above could have been adverted if the Board had simply hired a contractor who was properly licensed. Typically, for someone to be licensed they are required to be insured but this should also be checked by the Board prior to awarding a contract.
All of the above is the reason why our Board turned down the suggestion at our annual meeting of purchasing a snow blower for residents to use. In this economy I could have even taken the above scenario further:
The owner who incurred the damages believed that they shouldn't have to pay for the special assessment since they were the one's who suffered damages and were already out of pocket for the broken window, medical bills and hiring the lawyer to sue the association. They decide not to pay the Assessment. The Association, not receiving payment for the special assessment starts foreclosure proceedings on the home.
I know a little far fetched, but it legally could happen. This is why, in my opinion, the Board should only hire licensed and insured contractors to perform the work.
As the person I quoted said, does it really take a licensed contractor to change a light bulb or blow leaves from the sidewalk? The answer would be no. I will admit that I have gone out and cut a dead limb or two from a tree. However, I never took payment for it. I did the work as a neighbor and not as a member of the Board. However, if something did happen - since the Board didn't hire me to do the work, it's possible that I could be in a world of hurt (legally speaking) personally. I fully understood this.
The point is, if something happens to the individual changing the bulb (perhaps falling off the ladder) or to personal property (a rock is picked up by the leaf blower and breaks a window), someone would be legally responsible for the damages. The question of whom would be decided by a judge in a court of law. The Boards responsibility is to minimize this risk - thereby protecting the membership.
Tim
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Posted on 12/04/2010 12:03 AM
Does it take a licensed contractor to blow off sidewalks or change a light bulb? If your management company is a Community association Institute member (CAI) then they will tell you all kinds of stories about why this is wrong. The biggest reason why its wrong is because the profiteers that are members of the CAI don't make money from your association. Isn't that a shame?
Does it take a licensed contractor to blow off sidewalks or change a light bulb? If your management company is a Community association Institute member (CAI) then they will tell you all kinds of stories about why this is wrong. The biggest reason why its wrong is because the profiteers that are members of the CAI don't make money from your association. Isn't that a shame?
For the record, I am a member of my Associations Board, serving as it's President. I am not personally, nor is the Association, a member of the CAI. However, I strongly believe that the Association needs to protect itself from possible litigation by using simple common sense. This common sense includes hiring licenses contractors.
The reason for having a licensed contractor, can be better demonstrated with the following scenario:
HOA owns a snow blower that is available for members to use as needed. A resident checks out the snow blower and in the process of using it throws a rock through your window, which also strikes your child causing injuries. You now have a broken window and medical bills to pay for. Who should pay - The resident who used the snow blower or the Association who allowed them to use it? Either way, you just want to reimbursed for the damages so you file legal action (costing you more money)against both of them. The resident tries to protect himself by filing legal action against the Association saying that they should have never allowed him to use the equipment without proper training. This causes additional legal expenses for the Association. Before the court even hears the case the Association now passes a special assessment to pay the legal bills. You - who suffered the actual damages, are still responsible (as a member of the Association) for your share of that special assessment. Now you are out even more money and you still haven't even had the case heard.
All of the above could have been adverted if the Board had simply hired a contractor who was properly licensed. Typically, for someone to be licensed they are required to be insured but this should also be checked by the Board prior to awarding a contract.
All of the above is the reason why our Board turned down the suggestion at our annual meeting of purchasing a snow blower for residents to use. In this economy I could have even taken the above scenario further:
The owner who incurred the damages believed that they shouldn't have to pay for the special assessment since they were the one's who suffered damages and were already out of pocket for the broken window, medical bills and hiring the lawyer to sue the association. They decide not to pay the Assessment. The Association, not receiving payment for the special assessment starts foreclosure proceedings on the home.
I know a little far fetched, but it legally could happen. This is why, in my opinion, the Board should only hire licensed and insured contractors to perform the work.
As the person I quoted said, does it really take a licensed contractor to change a light bulb or blow leaves from the sidewalk? The answer would be no. I will admit that I have gone out and cut a dead limb or two from a tree. However, I never took payment for it. I did the work as a neighbor and not as a member of the Board. However, if something did happen - since the Board didn't hire me to do the work, it's possible that I could be in a world of hurt (legally speaking) personally. I fully understood this.
The point is, if something happens to the individual changing the bulb (perhaps falling off the ladder) or to personal property (a rock is picked up by the leaf blower and breaks a window), someone would be legally responsible for the damages. The question of whom would be decided by a judge in a court of law. The Boards responsibility is to minimize this risk - thereby protecting the membership.
Tim