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LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Here in Santa Barbara, CA, we are being told by one attorney that our Condominium Association Board of Directors must abide by the Brown Act and by another attorney that the Brown Act only applies to Government Legislative Bodies. Does anyone have any experience with this issue?
KennethS2 (California)
Posts: 36
Posted:
THE BROWN ACT
The Brown Act is a series of statutes under Government Code §§54950-54962 regulating the meetings of public legislative bodies and local public agencies. The Brown Act does not apply to private community associations.

Community associations are regulated by the "Open Meeting Act" found in Civil Code §1363.05. Even so, the Brown Act can provide some useful guidelines concerning board meetings.

Read more: Brown Act http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/BrownAct/tabid/1292/Default.aspx#ixzz16zra2vQm
from Davis-Stirling.com by Adams Kessler PLC
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Laura,

The Brown Act only pertains to public bodies, i.e. city councils, school boards, etc. HOAs are bound by the Davis-Stirling Act which contains an open meeting act. BTW, attorney's don't always know what they're talking about!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MaryA1 on 12/02/2010 2:44 PM
Laura,
BTW, attorney's don't always know what they're talking about!

This is why they call it practicing law.

Similar to anything else that requires practice, some pick it up quickly and are good at it. Others comprehend the process and procedures but are only fair in the delivery. Some (hopefully very very few) need all the practice they can get.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank you for the great information. I'm new to all of this and am trying to verify the information I'm receiving from feuding parties. So here's my real question. One of the members of our Association became irate because the landscaping in front of her property was completely removed. She has hired a landscape architect and has invited the Board and interested neighbors to hear what the landscape architect has to say. Can all members of the Board attend this meeting?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Certainly they can. Just like they could attend any other function together.

An invitation was offered. The members of the Board may attend either as a representative of the Board or as an individual homeowner interested in an experts advise.

The fact that they attend the same function doesn't indicate that they are holding a meeting or discussing the business of the Association. It just indicates that they are interested in the same topic, movie, etc.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
IMHO - she should have requested time in front of the board, had her "expert" present the recommendations, and asked for a motion to accept the plan.

As it is now, her "meeting" is nothing more than a social gathering where no decisions can be made.

Everything said will have to be repeated and go through the board, anyway.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Laura - if the landscape plan affects any outside entities, i.e. municipals lights, city landscaping, water lines, signage that's not yours, or non-private road alteration, the Board WILL have to have an Open Meeting and follow all the laws on that procedure.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Tim

Sorry, but your answer is not correct, at least not in AZ. The AZ open meeting law states that all meetings of the board must be open to members. A meeting occurs when a quorum of the board are together and discuss assn business whether a vote or any action is taken or not. This is what the Davis-Stirling website has to say about the definition of "meeting":

"Not all gatherings of directors are automatically deemed "meetings" of the board. Board meetings are defined by the Davis-Stirling Act as a gathering of a majority of directors at the same time and place to hear, discuss, or deliberate upon any item of business scheduled to be heard by the board, except those matters that may be discussed in executive session. Civil Code §1363.05(j)."

If this member was meeting with a landscape architect for an informal discussion about landscaping then all the board members could attend and a meeting notice would not be required. However, IMO, this is not the case. This member has a dispute with the BOD and I would guess the landscape architect has been invited to support her opinion; therefore it is much more than an informal meeting to discuss landscaping and, IMO, the meeting should be noticed.
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
Here's a brief article that expresses an opinion on this subject:

http://www.assocmgmt.com/AMC/document/2153379the_brown_act_and_hoa_board_meetings.pdf

The author concludes that informational meetings, conferences and gatherings open to the public do not count as meetings.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank you.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank you.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thank you.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We are just gathering information. Could the Board walk around the property together and discuss how they feel about the landscaping or have a landscape education session? Perhaps invite all homeowners? I'm still confused. Feeling not smart at the moment!
DaveH4 (California)
Posts: 16
Posted:
In CA boards can do whatever they want because it will cost you dearly to prove your point. First there is an Internal Dispute Resolution process and if that isn't sucessful then you must participate in an Alternative Dispute Resloution Process where the matter is heard by an independent arbirtrater which costs are paid by each party. This must first be completed before a judge will hear the case in court. If you loose in court you could end up paying the others sides leagal fees.

Wheres the justice? That's right there isn't any.

Excuse my spelling, I'm a spell check addicit and haven't found one here yet.
LauraC2 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for your response. I'm starting to regret getting involved in all of this.

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