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DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Several members of the HOA have been discussing the need to install a security gate at the beginning of our community. The reason the gate is being considered is presently, there is no way of controlling who coming into the community. We would like to limit immediate access to only residents, their invited guests and authorized commercial vehicles. Also, while our rules state that renters need to register with the HOA we have found that not all do and they limit there profile by not using the amenities (or we hope they don't use them). By having a gate, only those residents/renters registered with the HOA would get an access pass. While we haven't had much crime in the 6 years I've been here, we had two purses snatched in the last month. One incident involved a couple following one of our residents back into the community and her home and taking her purse as she exited her car in her driveway. In the other event, the individual car was parked by the pool area. The car was locked but the purse was left on the seat. The individual broke the window and took the purse. Both incidents took place in daylight. My question is can anyone provide me with so idea of cost, etc. We were thinking of have the gate manned 12 hours a day from 7am - 7pm. Thanks. Dennis
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dennis,

Are the roads public or private?

Will your development be completely fenced in or only a gate at the roads entrance?

You will also need to make arrangements with your county emergency response people (fire, ambulance, police, etc.) since you will not be manning the gate 24/7 arrangements will be needed to give them access when the gate is unmanned.

If the roads are public, forget it, you will not be able to do this unless arrangements are made to transfer ownership along with maintenance/repair responsibility to the Association.

If the development will not be completely fenced in, pedestrian traffic will still exist. Therefore, you still won't be able to control who is entering the community.

Have you considered other options like:

Hiring a private security company to patrol the community?
Starting a neighborhood watch program?

DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
The road was deeded back to the County many years ago. However, the idea has been presented the County Commissioners and they seem agreeable to look at deeding the road back to us.
The property is not fenced. We understand that foot traffic can enter but the terrain around the property does limit most of this.
The big concern is those people entering the community via vehicle, doing their deed and driving off. Also, I mention to reduce the number of commercial companies driving around the community looking to trim palms or trying to get their lawn service business going. Our rules require them to report to the HOA office and register. The office would confirm they are legitimate and insured. We continue to try to educate people on these matters but it doesn't work well. We do have no trespassing and no solicitation signs are the beginning of the community but again, "who reads?".
We have a COP program which patrols at night but they have no authority to stop vehicles or even leave their vehicle (County Sheriff's rules); eyes only.
A neighborhood watch program would be okay but this is 55 and older community and we have difficulty getting residents involved in most volunteer program now. (About 2% of the residents do most of the work.)
As part of this effort, we would also consider recommending access control for our Common Area building and amenities.
Would again be interested in hearing from anyone who might be able to provide some idea of cost and issues they have experienced with this idea. The group plans to but together a presentation for the Board prior to our Membership Meeting. Thanks.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Dennis,

IMO, a gate only gives a false sense of security, there is no guarantee that your community will be crime-free. Also I doubt that it's legal to block anyone from entering their home whether it's a property owner or a renter.

Is the board and the membership aware of the increased cost of being gated and having to maintain the gate and especially the roads? I would be surprised that the Co would object to deeding back the roads to the HOA as it would result in a big savings to them.
DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We are only talking about the County deeding back about 1/2 mile of road just prior to entering the community proper. Our HOA already maintains our existing inner roadway. Our community consists of 1900 homes.
We will not be restricting access, per Florida Statutes, to anyone who is properly registered within the Community. This will, however, allow the HOA to know who is renting in the community as they would have to register with the HOA, as is required in our docs, to obtain whatever access control is decided upon. Often as not, we have had residents rent, through the owner, with neither reporting this to HOA.
As for the increase cost, this is one of the questions I'm asking of this group, especially those who have dealt with this before. We would need to solicit several contractors to come up with concepts and cost but thought I might get some ideas from here first.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dennis,

I have had numerour properties in Florida, some gated and some not. Before you go and get the roads deeded back to the HOA and spend money for a gate and security gaurd at the gate, answer me this.

Is the entire perimeter of the community (it must be huge with 1900 homes) completely secure? Is there a fence, water, dense landscape or a wall completely sealing off the inside of the community? If the answer is NO, then a gate on a nice paved raod is a false sense of security.

Then the guard will be at the entrance for 12 hours? What about the other 12 hours. What type of gates are you thinking about? Gates are useless except to the really good law abiding citizens who would use them. My opinion is don't waste your money on them. Law enforcement will NOT enter a gated community to do any traffic enforcement unless they are asked to come in.
DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Two sides of the community fronted by large savanna (part is State controlled). A third side has a berm which front on a secondary dirt road with limited access. The fourth side has some fencing and presently has a gate (chained) which would provide a secondary access in emergency. The County will be extending a road into this area but will be installing a fencing and gate for the community. This gate is suppose to provide ingress/egress for residents via some kind of device/keypad.

The thought is to have a guard on duty from say 7am to 7pm. These would be the hours when commercial vehicles would need access and allow outside access to our golf course. During unmanned hours, only the resident access gate would be available. Visitors would have to contact their host and have them come to open the gate. However, specific operation details would have to worked out and presented with the presentation. We were looking at a small gatehouse with 2 entry points (arm lift type gate).

As for law enforcement, the Sheriff will make a pass through the community maybe once a day but because the roads on considered private property they state they are limited in what they can do; unless we give them permission, which is unlikely.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
Guards are expensive. You really need to look at that. You are usually responsible and liable for your guard's actions and behavior. You also have to protect your guards. Workmen's comp, liability insurance, proper uniforms for the weather, adequate training, etc. Then there is competitive salary. Once well trained, he (or she) has to earn enough so they aren't qualified and tempted to take their training and go elsewhere for a few bucks more. Are you going to try to give them the authority to police (i.e., special police), if so more expensive training. What about firearms? Remember the HOA is potentially liable for the bullets he may shoot while working for you. If it is a 12 hour post, you have to arrange for his bathroom and lunch breaks. What about his days off, sick leave and vacation time? If it is a one man post and he has to go to court today because of an incident last week, who covers the post? Does the HOA assume a liability if the gate is open and the guard is absent? What exactly is the point of a 12 hour post that prevents the bad guy from coming in outside of that 12 hour window? What good is a gate if the property isn't 100% fenced?

So many questions. Please explore them before going that route.
DennisS7 (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Thanks. Appreciate all the input regarding this issue and will print it out for the group to read. If anyone can suggest others way whereby the HOA could control and know who was on our property, if all our renters were registered, etc. I love to hear from you.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
I might add that here in VA we have several such communities. Most have at least two guards on at the gate. This both provides a bathroom break potential and adds a safety element. Some places keep 3 or 4 guards on duty which lets them patrol and respond. In PG County, MD, back in the crack cocaine days of the mid 90s I recall one Condo complex that made the mistake of only having a single guard at night in a booth by himself. They found him in the morning. 'Nuff said for that bad idea. Worth noting is the Massanuten Mtn. ski resort complex which actually transitioned all the way into a full size, full time police department. In NYC there is Lefrak City and Co-op City which both have Special Police Departments as well as thousands of residents and guests to police.

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