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TravisJ2 (Utah)
Posts: 4
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Our CC&R's state nothing regarding renting. Over the past few years we have attempted to add to the CC&R's a rental control amendment. The first attempt failed but after having a few problems with renters, some homeowners came to the BOD requesting another rental control amendment be brought forth. We are unsure if this attempt will pass either as all CC&R amendments require 66% affirmative votes. If it doesn't pass, there will continue to be nothing that regulates rentals in our HOA. Could the board at least pass some Rules and Regulations (allowed by our By-Laws)that doesn't restrict anyone from renting, but would require their renters to come before the BOD and acknowledge and agree to follow all of our CC&R's and Rules and Regulations or be subject to direct fines? Currently we fine the homeowner for violations but we have nothing to follow thru with the actual renters. We realize that we have no easy way of following thru with fines for renters should they refuse to pay (i.e. liens) but it might at least be a deterent to some future problems. Could we go further and have stiffer fines for violations for homeowners who rent vs. homeowners who don't rent? Our CC&R's and By-Laws allows for the BOD to pass fine schedules. In the past we have always had the same fines for everyone, but we are thinking that having seperate/higher fines for homeowners who rent might solve some of our problems. Would this be considered discrimination or unfair to homeowners who rent vs. those who don't?
JenniferM10 (Illinois)
Posts: 97
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Do the homeowners who are renting out the properties pay the fines incurred by their renters? That would seem the fastest way to get things straightened out, I think. If a homeowner is getting fined every month because their renter isn't following the rules, then the burden will be on them to follow up with the renter and correct the issue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By TravisJ2 on 11/30/2010 6:13 PM

Could the board at least pass some Rules and Regulations (allowed by our By-Laws)that doesn't restrict anyone from renting, but would require their renters to come before the BOD and acknowledge and agree to follow all of our CC&R's and Rules and Regulations or be subject to direct fines?

I would think not as typically the governing documents specify that the member is responsible for their guests or tenants. What you are suggesting would amount to conditional contract to a third party (the association) in order to rent. Keep it simple and just hold the member responsible. If enough pressure is applied in the form of fines/legal actions then the member will address the issue with the tenants.

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Posted By TravisJ2 on 11/30/2010 6:13 PM

Currently we fine the homeowner for violations but we have nothing to follow thru with the actual renters. We realize that we have no easy way of following thru with fines for renters should they refuse to pay (i.e. liens) but it might at least be a deterent to some future problems. Could we go further and have stiffer fines for violations for homeowners who rent vs. homeowners who don't rent?

Why would you fine the renters. You fine the members who agreed to have their guests and/or tenants follow the rules/guidelines/covenants of the Association. Follow through with the homeowner up to and including placing a lien on the property if allowed by law. Your issue is with the member not the renter. The renter is the one violating the rules, but the member is the one allowing it.

Since the contact is between the member and the Association and not the Association and the renter, the Association would probably have issues if they tried to discriminate against non-resident owners vs. resident owners. I wouldn't do it.

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Posted By TravisJ2 on 11/30/2010 6:13 PM

Our CC&R's and By-Laws allows for the BOD to pass fine schedules. In the past we have always had the same fines for everyone, but we are thinking that having seperate/higher fines for homeowners who rent might solve some of our problems. Would this be considered discrimination or unfair to homeowners who rent vs. those who don't?

This is effectively asking the same question as before in a different format. An argument could be easily made of discrimination against non-resident owners vs. resident owners if a fine structure was different for the two.

You could have higher fines for improper parking vs. failure to mow the yard. However, any possible fine would (and should) be applied equally to all members.

I'm sorry your having trouble with renters. My Association discovered that a fair and consistent enforcement of violations helps to lessen a lot of those issues.

I hope this helps,

Tim
TravisJ2 (Utah)
Posts: 4
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Thanks for all the replies. I will take note of the advice and pass it along to our BOD. I'm just curious, how do other HOA's handle rentals. The options that we are seeking are 10% limit throughout the community and then having the BOD authority to demand eviction of the renters if the homeowner doesn't address the problem. Some homeowners feel this is excessive? Have we over stepped our authority in proposing this?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Travis,

I believe that insisting the the Board be given to demand eviction is definitely over stepping the authority your Board would have. The Association is not part of the rental agreement between the landlord and the tenant. If the Association insists on being part of any rental agreement I suspect that you would have more issues than you do now.

Limiting the rental amount to 10% is very difficult to do without causing issues. I would strongly encourage you to speak to your Association attorney for assistance in drafting any type of rule and procedures on how to enforce.

Some problems that can foresee are:

1. How will you define the 10%? First come first served, annual lottery, etc. Remember that the Association has to be fair and non-discriminatory in allowing who can and can't rent.

2. Will the people who rented prior to the new covenant be grandfathered?

3. What about hardship cases (say military under orders to move and must rent the property in order to keep paying Association annual assessments and/or mortgage)?

4. What protection will the Association have if someone is not allowed to rent, loses the home due to inability to sell and Association refusal to allow them to rent and the member chooses to file legal action against the Association for damages?

5. If a renter enters into a two or three year lease but the Association only allows the member to rent the home the first year - will the Association be liable if the renter suffers damages by having to rent at a higher cost elsewhere?

Granted, some of these are on the edge but if your considering applying a rental limit to an existing association, then you should also consider planning for the worst and pray it never happens. However, if it does, at least you will be prepared.

If I may ask, what are the specific problems that you expect to be resolved by limiting renters that can't be done by just enforcing the covenants on the owner?

Tim
DustinH1 (Massachusetts)
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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Travis,

The board can only fine members; therefore, a renter cannot be fined. Any violations committed by a renter are the resp of the prop. owner and that is the person who should receive the violation notice. If the violation remains uncured, it's the owner who receives the second notice and so on until legal action is taken if allowed by your gov docs and/or state law. And you cannot impose stiffer fines for renters that violate the covenants; that would be discriminatory and I doubt it's even addressed in your CCRs.

I also agree with Tim that evicting a renter would be overstepping your bound,in fact I really don't know how the BOD would accomplish this since the rental contract is not with the assn.

More and more assn's are adopting rental policies, one requirement of which is that the prop owner provide a copy of the CCRs and rules to the renter. Some of these renters who are violating the covenants may not even be aware of the violation. My assn requires a prop owner, who wants to rent his property, to sign a rental agreement. If they do not sign w/i a certain period of time it is treated as a violation with the same fines being imposed until they sign. Whether or not your amendment to restrict the number of rentals passes, the BOD should adopt a rental policy.
TravisJ2 (Utah)
Posts: 4
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I appreciate all the input. It sounds like the problem would best be solved by just putting alot of pressure on the owner through constant fines. We are asking for the renter to acknowledge in writting that they have recieved and will obey all CC&R's and R&R's but outside of this and fines, how do other HOA's deal with renting? Fines are OK but we are afraid there will come a time that our community will be overrun with renters and the board will just be dealing with fining and collecting fines from homeowners. Most renters do care, but unfortunately, it only takes a few to sour the whole community. Our community is made up of 112 single family homes. Our homes are in somewhat close proximity to each other. Problems with renters are just compounded because of our close proximity. We just want something that will give the community and the BOD some control over how and who rents? That seems fair to us, especially since our community property values hinge on each other so much. Let's face it, communities that are full of renters are not as appealing to buy into, unless of course you are a renter or looking to rent. The other problem we anticipate is that as the homes that are occupied by renters increase, we, the owners who actually live in the community, will lose more and more control. Usually,,,, the homeowners who rent their homes do not vote on community issues. Why I do not know, maybe because they don't live in the community they see no reason to vote. Since renters don't have a vote, a large number of renters would essentially take power away from the actual homeowners who live in the community. Personally, I wish there was no renting allowed from the beginning. I'm afraid that now a can of worms has been opened that can't be closed or may become very difficult to be controled. Any other ideas would be appreciated.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
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Travis,

Your only option is to adopt a rental policy and stick to it. The policy can require the prop owner who is renting his prop to sign a rental agreement that states the owner shall: provide a copy of the CCRs and rules to the renter; give the BOD a copy of the signed lease and any renewals; limit rentals to at least 6 mos, 1 year, etc; limit the number of renters occupying the residence -- just to name a few provisions. If the prop owner fails to sign the rental agreement w/i the specified period of time it is treated the same as any other CCR violation including the assessment of applicable fines. The members must be informed of the rental policy and given a copy of it.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
Posted:
You could probably accomplish a lot of what you want by changing your By-Laws and Covenants, but the members would have to vote to approve any changes. I have dealt with Condo HOAs that had clauses allowing the Association first right of refusal of any prospective tenant. The applicant is consensually investigated by the HOA (or their delegates) and often interviewed too. The problem with this approach are several. Good investigations are expensive and not always quick. Likewise if taking the panel approach, who sits on the panel? How many units are involved? How often does the panel meet and to interview how many applicants per day? I looked at this for a mid sized HOA (houses) and we concluded it was a lot of trouble with only a little benefit and instead simply strengthened our communications with the landlords and issued a few fines for tenant misbehavior.

It should be understood that sometimes when the Board wants to see the sex offender drug dealing tenant on the corner property gone, so too sometimes does the landlord who is at their wits end on what to do about them. In VA if a tenant fights back in court the eviction process can stretch out for many months (I saw one case that took a year and a half, the tenant had quietly moved out while the eviction process was underway, but because they were still fighting the eviction in court (just to be mean) the landlord couldn't even legally enter the building for maintenance until the judge finally agreed.)

One tool you can play with is an agreement between the landlords to not rent to a tenant other members of the association have found to be unsatisfactory. You as the HOA don't even have to get involved in the fine details once they agree to the principal. Simply introduce the landlords to each other and (consensually) give them each other's emails or contact information and encourage them to communicate. This helops prevent the problem in house 1 from moving across the street into house 2 and pushes them out of the neighborhood when house 1 is successful in their eviction.
TravisJ2 (Utah)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks, both replies have some great ideas that I will take back to the BOD.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
The following web site may be of interest. Apparently Utah is considering modeling their ACT after the UCIOA.

http://www.utahlac.com/ulac-news/utah-common-ownership-interest-act-ucioa-sb-182/

From the 94 UCIOA and 2008 UCIOA:

Comment 10. Unruly and disruptive tenants have been a significant problem in association administration. Revised Section 3-102 gives rights to associations to enforce the declaration, bylaws, and rules and regulations not only against the unit owner but also the tenant. Associations may now levy fines against tenants and enforce the rights of the unit owner as landlord.
NameW (Virginia)
Posts: 74
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Hmm. Don't know if that would work in some HOAs. I have seen tenants who don't even own the pot they cook with, much less even pay their rent on time. My HOA has had about a half dozen owners battling their tenants in court in the past six months. Some of those eviction actions are still underway. I doubt those tenants would be impressed by a letter from the HOA threatening to fine them or even one telling them a fine has been assessed. They own nothing, so even if you spent the time, money and effort to get a judgment and file a lien against them it would probably just go to the back of a long line of prior judgments filed by other persons and groups. I think for my area, sticking with a fine against the owner which becomes an increase in assessments which can be transformed into a foreclosable lien against the property itself is smarter. At least then there is an incentive to pay it.

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