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JanH1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I noticed some water leaking from garage wall and I tried to look around for leakage source and found toilet water line is leaking slowly, but i am not sure it is the only leaking source, so i called HOA for help. They sent a plumber to my house and he looked at toilet line and told me it should be the only leaking source. Then he said he could replace the line for me now, but all the cost incurred will be on me. he said if he stops now, I can replace the line by myself, then HOA will pay him.I took his advice and i went to homedepot and bought the tool and toilet water line and replaced the line myself. after one month, I received a bill from HOA and asked me to pay repair cost. I called HOA manager and argued I did repair by myself.The only thing the plumber did is told me it is not HOA' responsibility to repair and he didnot repair. The manager said that plumber spent time traveling back and forth and i need to pay for his time. i argued that it is my responsibility as a unit owner to notify any potential damage to the property, Should I pay?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Jan

To be brief the HOA sent a plumber to your home the leak was determined to be your responsibility therefore the cost of repair would also be yours.

The plumber more than likely works at an hourly rate and does not come to your home to determine the problem free of charge.

You decided to do the repair yourself but the plumber still needs to be paid for their time.

My vote you need to pay this bill for thir time and advice.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You called a plumber, he worked on your toilet, you owe him money.

A toilet line is not HOA responsibility.
JanH1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 3
Posted:
but the plumber suggested to me i can repair by myself to avoid paying for him.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Seems the plumber spoke out of turn by suggesting the HOA would pay him.

I would not use him in the future knowing he makes those statements. And would suggest the HOA should cover a repair they were not responsible for.

The cost for his time is YOUR responsibility not the HOA's.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I suspect that the plumber thought that since the HOA called him that they would be paying. However, since the damage was caused by something in your unit, I suspect that there is something within your Governing documents that says you are responsible. This would be why the HOA is billing you for the plumbers time.

You did the right thing in contacting the HOA. They did the right thing in sending someone out to investigate. Your governing documents would probably determine who pays.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
but the plumber suggested to me i can repair by myself to avoid paying for him.


The plumber knows nothing about your HOA. He was wrong.

You told the HOA it was plumbing and wanted it fixed. They hired a plumber to come to your house. After realizing it was not the plumbing but a hose, the HOA is charging you what it cost for the plumber. It would have been the same as you calling the plumber yourself.

I know your trying to get out of paying the bill, but other HOA owners shouldn't pay for your mistake.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I disagree.

A water leak down a garage door warrants an investigation for the entire building. The HOA probably deals with this same plumber and he was called to find out what was up. That's an understandable service call.

It came down to one unit's problem, which he offered to fix. The homeowner declined and did it herself.

I think the HOA should pay for the initial service call. If not then the HOA should have told her to call her own plumber or given her the number of the plumber and they could have tracked down the leak.

Your documents might speak about this, but I doubt it.
JanH1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks all for your reply! I got opinion from both sides;

I just received HOA attorney' letter today stating if I donot pay service (which is time spent) and $ 300 attorney fee, they will initiate foreclosure process on my unit. It is outrageous! They sent someone to my unit and told me it is not HOA' responsibility, then charged me for service fee (Plumber' time)and now attorney' time; Can they initiate foreclosure without going to the court?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Jan,
I dont know Connecticut laws. Its possible they can foreclose over unpaid bill. Its not a fine.

I'm afraid because your association uses lawyers for everything, and you do owe for the plumber you could wind up spending thousands of dollars in legal fees for a $100 plumber visit. Just pay the bill and move on with your life or this will drag out forever.

Living in an HOA is not fair and you will soon find that out if you keep sticking your heels in the dirt. If you do choose to fight this I would recommend you pay for legal advice.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
I would agree with Steve.

The work performed was NOT HOA responsibility. Therefore the cost should be yours to cover. If not then you would pass this cost on to the other owners?

Seems your HOA allows its lawyer to handle these matters and you will and have been charged for that cost also. Allowed under some documents.

I would suggest you settle this ASAP. If not and the HOA follows through on its intended course of foreclosure you may win or lose but there is no doubt it will cost you a lot of money or in the worst case might cost you your home.

Standing your ground will in the end cost you dearly.

What amount was the original bill???? Is that worth the potential cost now to you?

Good luck.
DanielH1 (California)
Posts: 482
Posted:
The HOA should pay since they hired the plumber, not you.

But, seeing that you might spend a ton of time and money over a $100 plumber bill, I agree that it is better to pay than to fight.

(I suppose that you've learned a "counter-lesson" here: don't tell your HOA anything!)
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
The HOA dispatched a plumber to investigate a report made by a property owner. Depending on what was found would determine who was responsible for the bill.

We send out contractors to answer complaints and then determine who is responsible. In the event it is determined the property owner is responsible why should the other powners pay ANYTHING?

Whether plumbing or electric or roofing the HOA would need to determine responsibility before the charges can be assigned to the responsible party.

Fairly simple but you can stand on what you believe is principle and risk lsoing your money and maybe your home.

Sounds like a foolish course of action to me.

DaveH4 (California)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The plumber didn't speak out of turn. The association paid him as he said and later paSSED THE BILL ON TO THE OWNER. sORRY HONEY, EVENTHOUGH THE PLUMBER DIDN'T DO THE WORK HE CAME OUT AND CHECKED IT OUT. sHAME ON THE ASSOCIATIO FOR NOT LETTING YOU KNOW HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED BEFORE PLAYING IT.

For that reason alone the association should split the cost with you unless there is something in the gverning docs that advises owners.

The pluumber did you a favor, he told you what was wrong and how it fix it. Great guy.. Just think of what the charges would be if he made the repair. You now know what to do when you see water leaking.

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