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RonB7 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am a guy who is trying to resurrect our HOA. Years back, we had a HOA. They turned everything over to county, etc. Our HOA rules died 15yrs back. Today, we have increasing amounts of security problems.

We have 200 homes. We now have a committee trying to resurrect the HOA. One group is coming up with new HOA rules. Big issues we face are creating gated entries (4 ea), and paving of streets.

My big question is: what are strategies gated communities use for having fire, law enforcement, medical, and service vehicles come in and go out???? We're going to have key pad only at gates. I know all the issues of how nothing is 100% effective. I'm trying to get strategies you use which are maybe 85-90% effective. What single thing is needed to enable service vehicles to get in? I'm thinking maybe if we have some dial-up no we can enable gates to be open for law enforcement, medical, whatever. Keep gates open 30mins for whatever trucks need to get in for the situation.

We have moderate quantity of streets. How long does asphalt paving last? 20yrs? 30yrs?

How often do you have service calls on repair crews coming out to repair broken curbs, chuck-holes, etc? 4 times per yr? Those calls are probably going to have to be budgeted at $5000 each ocurrance.

I'll quit for now. Anything you know of which will help me reverse engineer this thing together will be appreciated.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If everything was turned over to the county then these would be public roads and you can't put a gate up. Also the county would be responsible for paving and curb repair.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ron,

Typically, the CC&R's do not die as they are usually bound and run with the land. However, if there is no Association, each individual homeowner would be required to enforce them on their own by documenting and bringing legal action.
However, you should verify that the CC&R's are still attached to the property and that the rule you believe is being violated is actually listed in the CC&R's. If the rule isn't there, then there is no violation.

To reestablish an Association, you would first have to have the agreement of everyone in the development/complex. Anyone who did not agree would not be a member of the Association and any assessments/additional rules or guidelines created by the Association would not apply to them.

As for the Streets, you seem to have a good handle on the time frame and repairs. However, adhoc repairs typically happen every 4-5 years vs. 4-5 times per year.

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Ron - what do your county officials say about you now re-claiming jurisdiction over roads that were turned over to them years ago?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ron,

Trying to resurect the HOA will be a huge job. I give you tremendous credit for taking this on.

One major consideration before you get too involved is to read the Fl. Statutes 720. You will need some legal advice before you get too involved on the County road situation. You may NOT gate off County streets without assuming all repair, replacement and enforcement issues from the County and that is only IF they will turn it back to the HOA.

"CHAPTER 720.403 - 720.407

HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS

PART III

COVENANT REVITALIZATION (ss. 720.403-720.407)

720.403 Preservation of residential communities; revival of declaration of covenants.

720.404 Eligible residential communities; requirements for revival of declaration.

720.405 Organizing committee; parcel owner approval.

720.406 Department of Community Affairs; submission; review and determination.

720.407 Recording; notice of recording; applicability and effective date.

RonB7 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
The county will support us---if we have 66 2/3% votes on it of the homes responding. We are sure we have those votes. The county will be glad we're taking on responsibilities it previously had for us. By taking on security and paving, we're reducing their budget. There is a vehicle for this.

What we're doing is trying to reverse engineer the budget things to give everyone a starting point for fees.

One group is working with attorneys dealing with new hoa rules. My group is dealing with the budget (actually, most of us are in both groups).

That's why I need to know strategies for how to interface with LE, Medical, Postal, fire, etc. What are good strategies for doing this?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Contact your local fire department and ask what their requirements are.

Check with your lawyer to see what happens if someone doesn't want to join the Association as I suspect you might have at least one and this could be a legal battle.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Ron, unless your Covenants allow for a manditory assessment of every homeowner I would never entertain the thought of attempting to take on the major expenses expenses of a gated community with private roads to maintain. Even if 2/3 of the owners agree to pay at this time the number will dwindle as time goes by and those who have been paying begin to resent those who do not pay.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Ron - WHY would anyone want to start up a mandatory HOA now?

Be careful about what you want . . .
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ron,

Having 4 properties in Florida myself, tell me about your gate ideas. Is the entire property line secure? I mean, all of the area and land around the entire developement.

Where I lived, we had "slide-by" gates. My 2 rentals had lift-arm gates and 1 had a guard with a lift arm.

Every one had vandalism at one time or another, sometimes alot of it. Unless there is a brick wall or fenced or planted perimeter around the developement, gates on the entrance will not protect you from anything except the good guys who drive on the roads and want entry for legitimate purposes.

Once you gate, the roads become yours to maintain and replace. A Reserve fund will need to be set up and funded quickly because your HOA is not new. Currently the County foots the bill for the roads. Why is that a bad thing?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Ron,

If you want to have a mandatory HOA you may be required to get 100% of the property owners to agree. There is case law in some state which states this is the requirement. I don't know if there is case law in FL so it would be wise to consult with an attorney. IMO, a voluntary assn would not be a good idea especially with private roads. Do you have any idea the cost of maintaining roads? Also,I understand the maint on gates can be quite costly.

Unless the deeds of all the property owners were changed to eliminate the deed restrictions (CCRs), I doubt your "HOA rules" as you call them died 15 yrs ago. CCRs "run with the land", meaning they are there forever. If you are coming up with new rules that would mean amending the old CCRs. IMO, this is anothing thing you should consult with an attorney about.

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