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RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
This was just posted in a newletter put out by an attorney's web site I subscribe to: This, at this time, apply to California

MEMBER RIGHTS
TO E-MAIL LIST
The Court of Appeals recently decided a non-HOA case which will likely affect homeowner associations. The issue was the interpretation of a member's “address” in Corp. Code §8330(a). Until now, a member's address was his postal mailing address. The Court expanded the definition to include e-mail addresses for purposes of inspection and copying of membership lists. Worldmark v. Wyndham Resort.

HOA Membership Lists. HOAs are governed by a similar provision in Civil Code §1365.2(a)(1)(I)(1) which allows members to inspect and copy "Membership lists, including name, property address, and mailing address." Based on the court's broad interpretation of "address," we could expect a similar decision involving HOA mailing addresses. That means when a member requests a copy of the association's membership list, any e-mail addresses kept by the association should be included, except for those members who opt out.

Opt Out Rights. Because of e-mail overload, many owners do not want their e-mail addresses distributed to their neighbors. Fortunately, the Davis-Stirling Act allows owners to opt out of the sharing of such information:

A member of the association may opt out of the sharing of his or her name, property address, and mailing address by notifying the association in writing that he or she prefers to be contacted via the alternative process described in subdivision (c) of Section 8330 of the Corporations Code. This opt-out shall remain in effect until changed by the member. Civil Code §1365.2(a)(1)(I)(2)(iii).

RECOMMENDATION: Unless associations wish to litigate the matter, boards should assume the court's ruling applies to HOAs. Accordingly, except for those owners who opt out, associations should disclose e-mail addresses to members who properly request a copy of the membership list. To avoid problems associated with the release of e-mail addresses, boards should have legal counsel prepare an opt-out form and circulate it to all owners.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Crazy . . . Maybe the HOA should not ask for the email address. Just make the information avialable to everyone on a website newsletter.

JackS1 (Colorado)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Access to the email addresses of our HOA in Colorado has been an issue at times.

I am of the opinion that they should be readily available to the membership only. Ours is a large subdivision with many out of state and seasonal owners. It quickly becomes costly and time consuming for a member to use first class mail as a means of communication.

In the past we have had a board president who ignored his fiduciary duties while treating our community as his kingdom. Laws were broken and the CCIOA was ignored. Requests for legally mandated information were ignored. Suppression of access to the email addresses of the membership kept many absentee owners ignorant of the true situation and the financial risk that they were being subjected to.

He was able to lead them like sheep when it came to voting on his desired covenant amendments. There was no realistic way to share information or debate issues.

Having access to the email list could have helped prevent this abuse. You can always set your spam blocker if you don't want to receive certain emails. No need to opt out. There are times when you need to know the truth.

JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Perhaps slightly off topic from the orignal post, but hopefully useful as well.

Our HOA website (not from the sponsor Community123.com, but perhaps their system is very similar) restricts member information to other members. That's pretty basic, but the member has several other privacy options that they can customize as well:

1). As for email addresses, they can choose to (a) display their actual email address, (b) show only a blinded link that will send them an email without disclosing their actual email address, or (c) not shown any email capability except to the website administrator.

2). Members can also choose to hide telephone numbers from non-administrator members.

3). Members can also choose to hide mailing addresses from non-administrator members.

As long as they trust the website's technology and as long as they trust the website administrator (Hey, that's ME - I'm a trustworthy kind of guy), then there's no reason for them not to sign up as a member (a valid email address IS required to sign up).
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You could just post all your HOA info to a web site like us. No need to send out emails, etc. If people want to know whats going on they can visit the website anytime.

PS. We do send out a quick email saying "the website has been updated, click here"

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Email "blasts" don't qualify as official Notice, anyway.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Susan,

Email blasts CAN qualify as "notice" in some circomstances. Florida Statutes do allow for electronic transmission as stated below. They have the members email addresses and do notify everyone by a mass blast.

720: 303 Board meetings "The bylaws or amended bylaws may provide for giving notice by electronic transmission in a manner authorized by law for meetings of the board of directors, committee meetings requiring notice under this section, and annual and special meetings of the members; however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission.

Some associations require email addresses from the members. Not totally sure if that is legal but they do it anyhow.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Under our "Open Meeting Act, Section 1363.05(f) of the Civil Code, email may be one form used of delivering the agenda 4 days prior to a meeting as required by law. As long as the same rules were applied to the membership list, I see no reason why email addresses should not be made available to the appropriate parties for distribution of Association information to its own membership.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Ah, here's the rub:

"however, a member must consent in writing to receiving notice by electronic transmission."

If a member says that the email WILL suffice for Notice, then it's OK.
If not, then other notification must be followed.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Susan

That wouldn't apply in California
BrianV1 (California)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 11/15/2010 12:03 PM
Susan

That wouldn't apply in California

It appears that it is allowed as of Jan 2010.

http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainMenu/MainIndex/Electronicdocuments/tabid/478/Default.aspx
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
FYI. . .

Davis-Stirling Act
§1350.7. Methods of Document Delivery.

(a) This section applies to delivery of a document listed in Section 1363.005 or to the extent the section is made applicable by another provision of this title.

(b) A document shall be delivered by one or more of the following methods:

(1) Personal delivery.

(2) First-class mail, postage prepaid, addressed to a member at the address last shown on the books of the association or otherwise provided by the member. Delivery is deemed to be complete on deposit into the United States mail.

(3) E-mail, facsimile, or other electronic means, if the recipient has agreed to that method of delivery. The agreement obtained by the association shall be consistent with the conditions for obtaining consumer consent described in Section 20 of the Corporations Code. If a document is delivered by electronic means, delivery is complete at the time of transmission.

(4) By publication in a periodical that is circulated primarily to members of the association.

(5) If the association broadcasts television programming for the purpose of distributing information on association business to its members, by inclusion in the programming.

(6) A method of delivery provided in a recorded provision of the governing documents.

(7) Any other method of delivery, provided that the recipient has agreed to that method of delivery.

(c) A document may be included in or delivered with a billing statement, newsletter, or other document that is delivered by one of the methods provided in subdivision (b).

(d) For the purposes of this section, an unrecorded provision of the governing documents providing for a particular method of delivery does not constitute agreement by a member of the association to that method of delivery.

Corporations Code
Corporations Code §20. Electronic Communications.

"Electronic transmission by the corporation" means a communication (a) delivered by (1) facsimile telecommunication or electronic mail when directed to the facsimile number or electronic mail address, respectively, for that recipient on record with the corporation, (2) posting on an electronic message board or network which the corporation has designated for those communications, together with a separate notice to the recipient of the posting, which transmission shall be validly delivered upon the later of the posting or delivery of the separate notice thereof, or (3) other means of electronic communication, (b) to a recipient who has provided an unrevoked consent to the use of those means of transmission for communications under or pursuant to this code, and (c) that creates a record that is capable of retention, retrieval, and review, and that may thereafter be rendered into clearly legible tangible form. However, an electronic transmission under this code by a corporation to an individual shareholder or member of the corporation who is a natural person, and if an officer or director of the corporation, only if communicated to the recipient in that person's capacity as a shareholder or member, is not authorized unless, in addition to satisfying the requirements of this section, the consent to the transmission has been preceded by or includes a clear written statement to the recipient as to (a) any right of the recipient to have the record provided or made available on paper or in nonelectronic form, (b) whether the consent applies only to that transmission, to specified categories of communications, or to all communications from the corporation, and (c) the procedures the recipient must use to withdraw consent.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 11/14/2010 11:41 AM
This was just posted in a newletter put out by an attorney's web site I subscribe to: This, at this time, apply to California

MEMBER RIGHTS
TO E-MAIL LIST
HOAs are governed by a similar provision in Civil Code §1365.2(a)(1)(I)(1) which allows members to inspect and copy "Membership lists, including name, property address, and mailing address." Based on the court's broad interpretation of "address," we could expect a similar decision involving HOA mailing addresses.


Back to the original poster, it all depends, to me, on the words used in your bylaws, or in the state laws (or court summaries) regarding the issue.

If someone asks me for my mailing address, i do not give them [email protected] (don't worry, not my email) or "the corner of Ohio and Main street, Terwilliger, Oklahoma". Try writing that on an envelope, and sending it through the postal system. If they ask for my email address, I don't tell them 17354 E Main, Podunk California.

It all depends on what the words are. Mailing address? Property Address? Email Address? They are all three different (for some people, not always for everyone), and you can get what the law says you can get.

Aside from that.. if a person were really worried about giving out their email address, they can get a free one from somewhere, and give it out. They can change it every year, every month, or every week, if they want.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
The list I was referring to is a membership list which is allowed under Corporation Code 8330, with restricted uses under Corporation Code 8338. I recently requested the membership list while running for a Board position. We have a web site that collects email addresses and the management company has collected email addresses on their own. Both would be considered corporate assets and should be available to a member upon proper request and following the guidelines of the Corporation Code that the list is used strictly for Association business.

What Mary posted is for completely different purposes.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Brian referenced a website inresponse to a remark you made. What I copied was the statute referenced there. It pertains to what docs can be communicated electronically.

The sections of CA code that you reference pertains to insp of records; email addresses are not included. The statute I posted states a member must agree to receiving certain docs by email. There is no mention of agreeing to have their email address given out to the members.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
The point of the post was that based on the court case, Worldmark v. Wyndham Resort, email addresses that Association collect, many from the web sites they maintain, will be available to members covered under the Corporation Code.

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