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LynneJ1 (Washington)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We have a small 10 home HOA in western Washington. We recently had an annual meeting and 3 board positions were up for re-election. Three
new people were nominated for the board and the existing board members were also on the ballot. Each position received a vote of 5 votes for
a person and 5 votes for the newly nominated person. How do you break the tie of 5-5?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Any time there is a tie vote in an election, the presiding officer should call for another cast of votes right then and there.

How many persons were running for how many positions?

LynneJ1 (Washington)
Posts: 3
Posted:
3 persons that were on the board already were up for re-election. Three new people were running for those psoitions. Each of the 3 board members
got 5 votes. Each of the e new people nominated got 5 votes.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Board members have no special privilege when their term is up. So ALL candidates are equal on the ballot..

There should have been a run off of the top vote getters who tied for the positions.
LynneJ1 (Washington)
Posts: 3
Posted:
So, if the votes were all equal, as in 5-5 how do you determine a tie breaker?
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LynneJ1 on 10/27/2010 11:38 AM
So, if the votes were all equal, as in 5-5 how do you determine a tie breaker?

I'd like to know the answer to that question too! We are also in Washington our HOA is 12 and no one wants to be on the Board or be an officer. Our President was in the position for 6 years (voted in each year by the entire membership) due to 1 (one) extremely difficlut homeowner - no one wants to deal with, so when the President finally resigned, there was one election and new officers were voted in. The President resigned right away due to health issues and the VP stepped in but resigned after 2 months (he'd had enough of all the "complaints" and bickering too!). Now the newest round of President and VP have both resigned, after one month, again over this one difficult homeowner. HUGE SIGH!

So if there is only the Sec/Treasurer left on the Board and no one volunteers for the Board, what happens? Can the Sec/Treasurer appoint a new Pres & VP or does there have to be an election?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Lynne,

When there is a tie vote, the issue dies. However, in the case of an election, there should be a run-off. In this case the election would have to be held again and hope there is not another tie vote. If there is, maybe all 6 candidates could draw straws! Seriously, in answer to your question, the only way to break a tie vote is to hold another election.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
As others have said, the Association will need to call a special meeting to hold a run-off election between the six.

Kudos on having 80% of your Association interested in the issues (10 lots, 2 members currently on the board, 6 running for the board). However. based on the split of votes, there seems to be more issues in the Association then the Board is aware of, or is aware of them and chose not to address them.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Karen,
I often wonder about the terminolgy "appoint" and "elect." Board Officers and Committee Members are volunteers. How can you nominate someone who isn't interested in volunteering in the first place? On our three-member Board out here in Walla Walla it is I, the President, and then the VP/Sec. and the Treasurer. We have one ARC with three members who volunteered, and that is it for the "governing" committees in this 41-household association. Our Treasurer is resigning as of January 2011. That leaves two. Notice went out for volunteers three times with no takers. If no one volunteers at the annual meeting in January then either I or the VP will have to be Treasurer, which our Bylaws permit us to do. We couldn't really "appoint" anyone, as in, "Hey Larry, you are now Treasurer." if Larry clearly hasn't volunteered. And we couldn't really have an election if there is no one to elect. I don't see how any HOA can have a one-person Board, holding all positions. So, your remaining officer would have to call a special meeting of the association and talk about the options of maintaining the association if no one volunteers, as in hiring a management company, or dissolution entirely. Neither is a desired alternative.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Dorothy,

Just because "Larry" didn't volunteer doesn't mean he cannot be appointed. Oftentimes a member will decline to run for a board position but will accept a nomination to the board. I guess some people just don't want to be faced with being defeated in an election. If the board wishes to fill a vacancy on the board by appointment they should ask any member(s) who they think may be willing to serve if they wish to be appointed.

BTW, even if the assn hires a management co there still needs to be a BOD!
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Mary,
Good to hear from you as always. Also, good to know that even with a management company there needs to be a Board. That would not solve the problem Karen of Washington is having with the one-officer Board. In our HOA the likelihood of anyone NOT being voted in for any position is slim. Also, most people SO DO NOT want to serve, that they would never dream of nominating or appointing anyone else who hadn't expressed any interest in the first, second or third pass of asking for volunteers. The way I got to be President was when the sitting President announced his resignation at the annual meeting and asked for volunteers. For literally 10 minutes no one said a word, until finally I couldn't stand it anymore and raised my hand and said I would do it. Of course, it was instantly unanimously approved, which spurred a volunteer for Vice-President, which was also open. Maybe that is what will happen again in January. It is also up to us officers to present it in such a way as to make it amenable.

Dorothy
LindaB11 (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Our HOA had this same situation and the president said he decides and his say is the last standing word. I have looked through the by-laws and CC&R's to see if this is legal and have found nothing. Because of his "rulings" over tie votes has created an unfavorable situation for this HOA.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Yikes! It sounds like a mediation is called for. Any homeowner is permitted to bring an action against a Board member, and mediation is always the preferred solution, other than a lawsuit for mismanagement. If tie-breaking is standard operating procedure, with the final decision creating an unfavorable situation, your association members are obligated to address this.

Dorothy

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