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RuthL4 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
One of our HOA board members said that he wanted to change his vote on a motion that was voted on at our monthly meeting a couple of weeks ago. Is he allowed to do that, since the minutes of that meeting haven't been approved yet?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
That would be up to the board. The proper way to do it would be for the member to make a motion to revisit the issue, if the motion is seconded and passed then a new vote can be taken.

RuthL4 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for your response. I agree with you...but our property manager told this person that as long as the minutes weren't approved yet it was ok to just change the vote. Actually, in this instance, it wouldn't matter, because the motion would still pass. But I don't want any precedents set where anyone could just change the outcome of a vote so easily.
SureshD
Posts: 268
Posted:
No Biggie...

Given the proposed insignificance of this particular vote reversal, at a minumum, the BoD member should provide a document to the Secretary indicating the change to his/her vote as an addendum to the minutes. Then at the next BoD meeting accept the minutes and the addition(s).
RuthL4 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
That sounds good! Thank you!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Ruth,

Whether the vote has any significance or not, IMO, changing a vote should be handled in the proper manner, as Tim advised. If you are concerned with setting a precedence, then you should agree that this should be handled properly. Can you imagine what might happen if all the board members knew they could just send a notice to the Sec that they are changing their vote and have it appended to the applicable board minutes? This is an action that needs to be brought up at the next board meeting and if the rest of the board members agree to revisit the issue then anyone's vote can be changed. But,if they vote the request down then the votes stay as cast at the original meeting. It's not up to the person who wants to change their vote to decide whether or not it can be done! Your PM is wrong,too. The only changes that can be made to the minutes are changes to actual events that happened at the meeting -- a vote cannot be changed just as you can't state the board voted on something that they didn't vote on. The fact that the minutes haven't been approved yet has no bearing on this.
AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Hi Ruth,
If your Board's authority for parliamentary procedure is Robert's Rules of Order .... you are heading for a disaster if you do as suggested with attaching an addendum to your minutes stating such.

Your minutes have nothing to do with the handling of your situation and are a record of what happened at your meeting... Not what you or someone else wanted to happen or did incorrectly (vote).

Here's how it works........

If a member wishes to change his vote before the chair announces the results of the votes, no problem... just ask that your vote be changed to a "Nay" or "Yay" whichever suits the case before the results are announced.

If a member wishes to change his vote after the chair announces the vote results, you may ask for a reconsidering of the motion at the same meeting. If the board agrees to reconsider (by voting on the reconsideration which takes unanimous consent), the motion is restated, is debatable and voted upon.

If the meeting is adjourned the vote cannot be "changed" but the person may wish to have the original motion resinded at the next meeting. He may give notice of his intent to the secretary prior to the meeting and ask that the matter be placed on the agenda for consideration of resinding. Then, at the meeting, the motion to resind may be made and a majority will prevail. If the member does not give notice of his intent ahead of the meeting, he may move to resind and 2/3rds are needed to pass.

Important...not all matters may be resinded and since I am unclear as to your main motion, you might want to check with the latest edition of Robert's Rules of Order regarding resinding or amending something previously adopted. Also, you didn't mention if his changed vote will change the outcome of the original vote i.e. passing or failing to pass. If he merely wants his "vote" changed for the record, it is, I'm sorry to say, too late.

HTH,
Ann

SureshD
Posts: 268
Posted:
It has no impact on the outcome of the decision in this case and socuments the issue(s) satisfactorally.

Go ahead and make a mountain out of a ant hill.

Of course there will be all kinds of "what if's" proposed but we are talking about this particular case.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Suresh,

However this is handled will set a precedent and that is why,IMO, it should be handled properly, regardless of whether changing a vote will impact the outcome or not. If you consider that making a mountain out of "a ant hill" (a mole hill) so be it. The board should always be concerned with doing things the right way, even if it's not the easy way.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
There may be a higher threshhold to amend or recind the motion (2/3 instead of majority)

The original vote is final. But nothing is written in cement, so that board member can take steps to amend or recind at the next meeting.
RuthL4 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
To all who replied to my post:

I'm new to this forum and am so happy that I found it. Your responses certainly gave me different perspectives of the issue. To SureshD: This is definitely not an "ant hill" situation, but a political move on a personal agenda by the person involved. That's why it's so important that it be handled correctly. The actual outcome of the vote wouldn't change anything, but I agree with AnnJ1 that we'd be heading for a disaster if we didn't follow Robert's Rules. Many thanks to you all.

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