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FrankN1 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I am an owner of all 3 commercial spaces in a 30+ residential condo unit building. I have recently found out that 2 of my 3 units share a power meter.

It has not been an issue since I've always have tenants that rented either all 3 units or both units that share the power meter.

For the first time in 10 years, all 3 units are now rented out to 3 different tenants. Now this became an issue with unit 2 and unit 3 sharing a power meter.

Unit 2 moved in first and owns the bill to that meter.

Unit 3 moved in few months after and quickly identified this issue.

After first finding this out, I consulted the HOA. HOA brought this to the Board of Directors and they both came back telling me it's my issue. I have to go to the local PG&E to install a new meter and separate unit 2 and unit 3. I looked into doing that, it's in the range of $7,000+.

I've asked HOA to add the agenda for the Board of Directors and they had a meeting and came back telling me my request for HOA/BOD to add a separate power meter was denied, but without providing a reason.

I went into the power meter room and quickly identify that my unit #3 is the ONLY unit that does not have it's own meter. If every owner of every unit has a power meter, and I do not have one in one of my units.

I looked over all the project documents, my 3 units are listed as 3 individual units in the project. I checked the city records, it's also registered as 3 individual properties.

Is there anything I can do here as an owner to have either BOD/HOA either install the power meter or share the cost with the owner?

Do they have the authority to turn down my request to be consistent with every other unit in the project?

Please comment, I don't mind if you are on the HOA/BOD side or my side. Any comment is good feedback.

Thanks in advance!
-Frank

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Frank,

To address your last sentence, we try really hard not to take sides, yours or the BODs. That is not what we are here for.

Every unit that I have ever owned, meters are the owners responsibility and shared with the power company. They bill us when we need new meters if they are damaged so my guess is that it is your responsibility as a special request to change it out as the owner of that unit.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
My advice? Ignore the fact that multiple units share a power meter, add the cost of power into the rent, include power as part of the included utilities. Warn the tenants if they don't keep the power use down, the rent will go up.

Problem solved, no money spent.
FrankN1 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
thanks DonnaS and SteveM9 for your feedback.

any other feedback or knowledge about this topic, your input is appreciated.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Steve,

That would be the simple solution but when 2 share, one could be a power hog and the other could live by candlelight. And chhances are that Mr. Candlelight would not like sharing a power bill with the hog. It is best to seperate the meters.
FrankN1 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Since I don't understand why every unit gets a power meter except one (my unit). I am just asking the owner of the project now (board of directors) to help fix this since the developers are no longer in the picture to answer this question.

This is of course from my point of view (the owner) and it seems unfair to me since every unit has a power meter installed (as expected) but my unit does not.

board of directors have denied my request without a reason. HOA is saying BOD decided, so I need to check with them. BOD is not replying to my email, I am looking for any suggestion as to how to move forward.

Thanks!
-Frank
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I would contact the local Zoning Board and look at the original drawings. It could be a mistake was made and two units were metered together and you could be covered by the builders warranty or it could be a design defect. The ZB may make the HOA remedy the situation but more than likely you are going to have to pay, either directly to the power company for a new meter, a sub-meter or attorney fees.

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DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Seems to me this has nothing to do with the HOA, but does with the Developer. If you can't go back to the developer you would be out of luck. When someone buys a property from someone else they should do an inspection. If you did pay for an inspection then you could possibly go back and at a minimum get your inspection fees paid to the inspector for not catching this issue. The HOA has never been an owner of the unit so I don't see why they should have any responsibility for something that was between you and the seller (developer).
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
PS. I know it is common to have title insurance and this could be something it might cover. Alot of people don't realize title insurance coverage often goes well beyond just covering title/property line type disputes. I've seen it cover a new owner who buys and then finds out there were improvements done without building permits, or other issues and this lack of a meter seems to fall under that kind of scope.

Did you buy title insurance?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Its possible 2 of the units were 1 unit. It was later converted to 2 units, hence only 1 power meter. You bought the unit as-is, so if you want another power meter, you need to pay for it. If you want another toilet, you pay for it.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
SteveM9, that wouldn't seem to be the case based on his comment,

"I looked over all the project documents, my 3 units are listed as 3 individual units in the project. I checked the city records, it's also registered as 3 individual properties."

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Frank,

Considering the cost to have another meter installed, it's no wonder you're trying to find someone else to bear the cost. IMO, it's not the HOA!!! In fact, I don't know that the developer could even be made liable for this expense unless you can find documentation indicating he was supposed to put in a meter for each unit. Seems to me this would have been caught by the building inspector if it was indeed required. This may just be an expense you'll have to eat!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
DJ1; there is no legal requirement for a "unit" to have separate anything. I've seen a legal duplex that shared a bathroom.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Steve, I was referring to your suggestion as to why the unit might have had only 1 meter.

You suggested that it may have been 1 unit at one time and later split into 2. That would make sense as a possible explanation for only having had one meter except the OP said in his first post that he had checked the project document which showed them as 3 separate units, which I took to mean from the beginning.

You are correct that there is no legal requirement to have a separate anything, but then I didn't say anything to suggest that there was.
RyanD1 (California)
Posts: 38
Posted:
Frank,

There are several reasons why you could have one power meter for two units within an HOA. Most of the HOA's in the San Fernando Valley have shared meters which the HOA pay's the utilities. However, to cut costs, many of these HOA's are switching to individual meters. These costs would be forwarded to the homeowners via a special assessment. The previous owner might of agreed to only pay for one for the two units. This is only one possibility. Regardless, it would be your responsibility place a second meter.

I would either raise the rents of the two units and include the utilities, or just pay for the second meter. You would have to place a second meter to sell the two units anyway later on.
FrankN1 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks to all for your valuable feedback.

I guess I know what needs to be done now. I just wanted to make sure that I am not being taken advantage of by either the Board of Directors or the HOA before I spec out what needs to be done.

Thanks!
-fng

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