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RichardP13 (California)
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At our Board meeting this evening, the Board approved the 2011 budget that stops the funding of our reserves for the immediate future. Apparently, because we are 140% funded, there is no need to fund reserves and the money can be used elsewhere, I presume. Our normal monthly expenditure for feeding the reserves was $8100 or roughly 20% of our monthly expense.

We are a private gated community and two of the reserve items, sewer and major utility repairs were removed as a reserve line item. Being in California, we are in earthquake country and if one were to hit, we have no monies repair or fix the sewer and/or water. All the other utilities would covered by the individual utility companies.

Were they right in their decision or should reserves continously be funded, but maybe at a lower rate?
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted:
How current is the reserve study and does your HOA have earthquake insurance?

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RichardP13 (California)
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Posted:
Glen

The two reserve studies I am comparing are from 10/07 and 11/09, both from the same reserve firm. There are major differences in Current Average Cost between the two reports, and the two of the major items left off from the 2007 study were the wood fences and the major utility reconstruction.

No we don't have earthquake insurance, and the current board insists its too expensive.
RogerB (Colorado)
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Richard, sewer and major utility replacement are reserve line items. Also, road replacement and I'd bet several other major expenses are involved for a gated community. The Board needs to carefully examined the items listed in the reserve analysis to make sure everything is included before they discontinue adding to the reserve fund each year.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
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One criteria for the Reserve fund is that the item have a "measurable life" - our water system is not in the reserves because if that blows, there will either be county intervention or a SAD thru the township. We could never save up enough to replace that. We do, however, have $100,000 in the reserves in case the main holding tank needs replacment. (never mind how we'd get it into the building, ye gads, probably have to remove the roof)

RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By RogerB on 10/22/2010 8:41 AM
Richard, sewer and major utility replacement are reserve line items. Also, road replacement and I'd bet several other major expenses are involved for a gated community. The Board needs to carefully examined the items listed in the reserve analysis to make sure everything is included before they discontinue adding to the reserve fund each year.

Roger

We are a gated community of 317 single family homes. We have 29 line items in the reserve, with the current reserve showing asphalt (road replacement and lighting are the two major components listed now. The budget was discussed in executive session and they voted in open session. Apparently, the $8100 is being re-allocated elsewhere and there was no discussion about where. For years, everything has been done in secret.In a month, all that changes.

On a side note, being you're a property amanger, if a new board member wanted to review the records of the Association and the Association itself didn't have an onsite office, would you allow them to review at your office?

Thanks
RyanD1 (California)
Posts: 38
Posted:
Richard,

If anyone in your association tries to sell their unit, and the buyer is trying to get a loan, the underwriter will more than likely deny the loan application. Since you association does not have earthquake insurance, and your reserve is not large enough to cover all damage from an earthquake, the underwriter will want to see 10% of gross income be placed in the reserve.

Also, I am recommending to all my associations that can afford earthquake insurance to purchase it. While earthquake insurance is expensive, the overall price has gone down considerably over the recent years. I had one association that the Board of Directors did not want to purchase the earthquake insurance, but the homeowners did. We ended up having a ballot vote on the topic, and the homeowners agreed to pay an extra $25 per unit to help offset the cost of the earthquake insurance.

In regards to the HOA documents, a property management company is required to be transparent to the Homeowners and Board Members. While there is certain documentation we are not allowed to show Homeowners, a Board Members are allowed to see any documentation involving their association. I would recommend that you set up an appointment with your management company with a list of the documentation you would like to review.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted:
Ryan

We have just over $1M in our reserves now, but the calculations I did show we would need a total of $2.7M to totally fund all of our assets.

My concern is if a sizable quake hits and damages our infastructure, sewers and water lines, we wouldn't have the resources to fix. Even if we purchased earthquake insurance, would the company pay when it came down to settle. I remember the Northridge quake anda number of insure went out of business or left the state.

I go onto the Board middle of next month and I know there will be issues with me reviewing Association records. I am sure they are afraid of what I might find and if they weren't destroyed, there is plenty.
RogerB (Colorado)
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Richard, we are the Register Agent for all the HOAs we manage. The records of the association are available for viewing at our office. It requires making a request for what records want to be viewed; an acceptable reason for viewing (not for gaining information for solicitations, etc.); a date and time is arranged within 5 working days; and there is a charge for our time to pull records, file afterwards, and monitor while records are being viewed (so that members do not remove and/or steal records). We also will make copies upon request at the cost of copies plus our time.
RichardP13 (California)
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Roger

What if a Board member made the request?
RogerB (Colorado)
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Richard, you have a valid concern "if a sizable quake hits and damages our infastructure, sewers and water lines, we wouldn't have the resources to fix. Even if we purchased earthquake insurance, would the company pay when it came down to settle. I remember the Northridge quake anda number of insure went out of business or left the state."

Make sure you have insurance with a large insurance company with a good record. Reserve fund budgeting is separate from costs which needto be covered by insurance.

RyanD1 (California)
Posts: 38
Posted:
Richard,

I would still recommend getting earthquake insurance

If there is an earthquake, and it does approximately $1.4 M in damage, you would not only be wiping out your reserve but you would need to come up with the extra $400,000. Usually, that is a very difficult amount to produce, especially since you association is so large. By getting earthquake insurance with an reputable company, (All State, State Farm, Travelers) you would minimize the risk of not having enough money to make all the necessary repairs. For general HOA Insurance I have been using a State Farm office located in the San Fernando Valley which works closely with Travelers for Earthquake Insurance. So far, I have been able to get good deals using the combination. Also, I warn against getting earthquake insurance with a low deduction. I recommend that the deduction is 20% of the total repair. This will help minimize the chances that the insurance company will postpone payment for repairs. It will also make the monthly payments more affordable.

What happened within your Association that makes you suspicious? Has the reserve decreased tremendously? Has faulty work been done around your association? Depending on what the issues are, you are able to go in and request certain documentation as a homeowner.
RichardP13 (California)
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Ryan

I do have a contact with Travelers from a CAI trade show I attended last month. Our current PM and management company prefers to conduct business in secret without homeowner input.

The Finance Committee which is chaired by the Treasurer presented the 2012 budget to the Board in Executive Session and they approved it. It provided for not funding the reserves which was against the recommendation of the Reserve Company. Guess will just have toi wait until next month.
SharonB6 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 70
Posted:
I have a what may be a stupid question. Are there companies that do reserve studies? Where can I find them?? We have been wondering exactly how much we need to have in our reserve. My HOA is a sub-association of a Master Association so we really don't have a lot of responsibility. However, the master Association is still being administered by the bankrupt builder and we have been taking on some their responsibilities out of necessity. So if there are companies that do this, it would be awesome!
GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By SharonB6 on 10/22/2010 6:01 PM
I have a what may be a stupid question. Are there companies that do reserve studies? Where can I find them?? We have been wondering exactly how much we need to have in our reserve. My HOA is a sub-association of a Master Association so we really don't have a lot of responsibility. However, the master Association is still being administered by the bankrupt builder and we have been taking on some their responsibilities out of necessity. So if there are companies that do this, it would be awesome!

Yes there are tons of these type companies out there, a simple Google Search of "reserve studies" will get you a list. We used a local engineer for ours.

Here is a url that might be useful: http://www.reservestudy.com/pdf/National_Standards_4-04.pdf

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MarkM19 (Texas)
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Richard, You said that you were 140% funded but then wrote the comment below.

We have just over $1M in our reserves now, but the calculations I did show we would need a total of $2.7M to totally fund all of our assets.

My question is are you really fully funded or are they saying that you are funded to an exceptable level? I am surprised by the difference between your calculations and the professional reserve study.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted:
Mark,

The $2.7M comes from what it would take to replace all the Assocation asset at the end of its useful life. If they fund at the current level, we would be short at least 400K. The reserve study said to increase reserve spending by 2% every year until year 20 and then at an increase of 3%.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 65
Posted:
I just looked at ours and we have roughly 800K in reserves but are only funded at between 60 to 65%. Our total replacement is around 3.7M. We have 400+ homes in our community.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted:
Mark

Our problem is we have a treasurer that knows nothing of finances reading a report that says TODAY, we are 140% funded, but doesn't know how to interpret a reserve study. She thinks that we won't need any more money.
SharonB6 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 70
Posted:
Thanks for the information! I have another question.. Now I am reading all of your replies and wondering where insurance plays a part? Do you put money in your capital reserve just for maintenance issues or do you put money in there to replace everything if something happens.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Sharon,

Every asset has a useful life. The reserve fund is for replacement of assets when the "useful life" has ended. Just like a h/o replaces their refrigerator when it just doesn't work anymore. Insurance is for replacement of everything in case of a catastrophic occurrence.
SharonB6 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 70
Posted:
ahh Okay that makes sense.. Thank You :o)

RyanD1 (California)
Posts: 38
Posted:
Richard:

As you said, it sounds like you have a Treasurer that does not really know what they are doing. All you can really do now is take that into account at the next election.
SharonB6 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 70
Posted:
Okay I need to ask a quick question about this.. My association is a sub association of 76 units. We really aren't responsible for too many things. Our main mission is to provide landscaping and to enforce the rules. After reading this thread I suggested a reserve study. The treasurer said because of our small size we really can't justify spending money on a study. He thought it was great looking through the samples and figuring it out ourselves.

Do you think this is unwise or do you think we can pull it off without a study?
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted:
Sharon

It depends on the type of Association you are. Are you a condo, townhome or single family home community. Most likely you will have assets that will need to be replaced over time. The purpose of having a reserve plan in place is to plan for the future. It's easier for each homeowner to put aside $15--$20 a month aside to set up reserves than thousands when the item has to be repaired or replace.

That's wise to look at several different reserve specialists and look at what they do and what they can offer an Association.
SharonB6 (Pennsylvania)
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We are townhouses.. My only concern is we pay a specialist hundreds of dollars for something we could of figured out ourselves. I only say that because we are so small and have so little responsibility. On the other hand there may be things we just don't think of.
RyanD1 (California)
Posts: 38
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Posted By SharonB6 on 10/26/2010 4:32 PM
Okay I need to ask a quick question about this.. My association is a sub association of 76 units. We really aren't responsible for too many things. Our main mission is to provide landscaping and to enforce the rules. After reading this thread I suggested a reserve study. The treasurer said because of our small size we really can't justify spending money on a study. He thought it was great looking through the samples and figuring it out ourselves.

Do you think this is unwise or do you think we can pull it off without a study?

SharonB6:

Reserve Studies are a great tool. I always recommend that the reserve studies are done by a professional company. A reserve study is a great tool for budgeting your future major expenses.

In California, Homeowner Associations are required to have a reserve study done every three years.

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