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MarilynC (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
This is to offer additional information which I had not made clear on my first post. There are two seperate budgets--one for the master and one for the sub. Residentsd in the sub pay for landscaping on both budgets because there is two different companies. We also pay for the homes to be pressure washed on both budgets. The master association doesn't pay us anything for these services but we have to pay for theirs. As far as upkeep on pool and upkeep on clubhouse gate maintenance and so on I agree we have to pay for. The builder for these condos left two years ago and at that time it was decided to have these two seperate hoa's. But before that the fees were paid to the master and we received value for our money. Our insurance was also being paid. We think that we should have to pay for landscaping and pressure washing only once. Thanks to everyone for input.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Marilyn,

W/o seeing the actual budgets and knowing exactly what is in the gov docs of both the master assn and your assn it's very difficult to say whether something is amiss or not. I would suggest you simply ask why these items appear in both budgets as it appears that you are paying for these services twice. The treas or PM should be able to answer your questions.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Unless your dues are earmarked exclusively for the jobs you say they pay for, the dues just go into the big pot. Then the master association pays its bills.

MarilynC (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Fees are earmarked for the various projects. The big three amounts to about $450,000. The total budget for the master is $666,900. So we are talking about some big savings for us by not having to pay twice for services just because there are two budgets. But members of the master board are trying to act as if they don't understand. I have asked about arbitration because this is not spelled out in the cc&r's and they draw a blank there too. And these are people who say they are college educated!!
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Marilyn,

Are you saying that you pay for landscaping of the Master HOA common areas via the Master HOA assessment, AND, pay for the landscaping of the Master HOA common areas via the Sub HOA assessment?

How do you pay twice for pressure washing – what exactly is being pressure washed and by which assessment?

Bonnie
MarilynC (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Yes Bonnie. The sub hoa was formed in 08 but fees being paid to the master was not adjusted just a new budget added with landscaping, pressure washing and outside maintenance to the new budget. So we pay twice and much more because we are 24 lots and the master is 251 lots. I am being harrassed because I have pointed this out and have done the math. I wanted to get other opinions and now I need to find out steps to correct this. And we have a PROFESSIONAL property manager.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Marilyn - seems like the issue is that you don't feel that you are getting your due's worth.

There are so many other expenses, other than power washing, so the key is to study the budget and see what all the dues pay for. Heck, i imagine just the annuals planted around the entire complex, or the electricity bill is also quite a sum.

In any case, the master board needs to assure your board that the dues are reasonable and mutually contributing to all expenses.
JeffP6 (Florida)
Posts: 91
Posted:
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Posted By MarilynC on 10/21/2010 11:43 AM
Yes Bonnie. The sub hoa was formed in 08 but fees being paid to the master was not adjusted just a new budget added with landscaping, pressure washing and outside maintenance to the new budget. So we pay twice and much more because we are 24 lots and the master is 251 lots. I am being harrassed because I have pointed this out and have done the math. I wanted to get other opinions and now I need to find out steps to correct this. And we have a PROFESSIONAL property manager.

Ok so are you saying for example that you pay $100 to the master and pay $100 to the sub.

Or are you saying that the budget for the master is not based on 275 lots?
MarilynC (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
yes--$100.00 to the master and $100.00 to the sub for the same service. And they have not used the 275 homes to determine cost per household.
JeffP6 (Florida)
Posts: 91
Posted:
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Posted By MarilynC on 10/21/2010 5:29 PM
yes--$100.00 to the master and $100.00 to the sub for the same service. And they have not used the 275 homes to determine cost per household.

Does your HOA have 2 sets of documents / 2 Boards? meaning 1 for the Master and 1 for the sub - I am assuming the sub is a condo type building?

And when you say they havent used 275 are you meaning the Master? Does everyone in both master and sub pay the exact same amount to the Master for dues? and everyone in the sub HOA pay the sub the a same amount for those dues?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Marilyn,

Perhaps the master assn pays for landscaping that benefits both communities and your HOA pays for landscaping that only benefits your community, ergo you pay landscaping fees twice. IMO,there would be nothing wrong with this. When you asked about these supposedly duplicate fees, exactly what were you told?

BTW, what is the power washing expense for? Normally power washing is only done b/4 painting and would be part of the painting contract amount, which in my assn is a reserve expenditure that does not appear in the operating budget.
JeffP6 (Florida)
Posts: 91
Posted:
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Posted By MaryA1 on 10/22/2010 7:57 AM
Marilyn,

Perhaps the master assn pays for landscaping that benefits both communities and your HOA pays for landscaping that only benefits your community, ergo you pay landscaping fees twice. IMO,there would be nothing wrong with this. When you asked about these supposedly duplicate fees, exactly what were you told?

BTW, what is the power washing expense for? Normally power washing is only done b/4 painting and would be part of the painting contract amount, which in my assn is a reserve expenditure that does not appear in the operating budget.

for us the Pressure washing expense is for community sidewalks / walls / fences / playground equipment / pool area.

If you have lived in FL you know that if it doesnt move it gets mold on it
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
Jeff,

Thx for the clarification. Marilyn is in SC so I guess they could have the same problems as FL.

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