💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
our annual election requires ballots submitted by End of Sept.
We have two units that have bids on them and owners indicating wanting to be on Board.
One of Board members indicated to me that the HOA may vote to allow these units to be on the Ballot if they close in the next 30 days.

Question

Does the HOA board have to have an open meeting to vote allow changes to allow these members to be included in the ballot?
Other considerations?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
If your documents say ballots must be in by a certain date and ANYONE misses that date, then they are out of luck UNLESS you also accept in-person voting at the meeting.

You CAN combine the two (written returned ballots and in-person voting) unless the election is "closed" on a certain date.

Is that the case?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
David,

If the BOD is required to vote on this issue then, YES, it must be done in an open meeting. However, I don't see why there has to be a board vote. The BOD must follow the bylaws and if the bylaws say only members may run for a board position then it stands to reason that if these individuals are not members at the time of the election they cannot be on the ballot. The BOD does not have the authority to change this requirement unless they have the authority to amend the bylaws w/o a vote of the members. If that is the case then they could vote to amend the bylaws and that would have to be in an open meeting. Bottom line: either the bylaws are amended to change the requirement or the requirement must be adhered to -- period!
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
I just heard that elections are closed and ballots are going out. Question if you have a 2010 director who has not attended any meetings and his only purpose of being on the board is to have enough people on the board to block me from being on board be allowed to run for the 2011 board? We are a 8 unit complex. If this person is on ballot and the board conducts it's only legal meeting where ballots are opened can I bring a legal basis to have this person removed from consideration? We are in California and bound by Davis sterling laws. Our bypass speak nothing to this issue.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Bylaws not bypass
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidA7 on 10/12/2010 9:33 AM
I just heard that elections are closed and ballots are going out. Question if you have a 2010 director who has not attended any meetings and his only purpose of being on the board is to have enough people on the board to block me from being on board be allowed to run for the 2011 board? We are a 8 unit complex. If this person is on ballot and the board conducts it's only legal meeting where ballots are opened can I bring a legal basis to have this person removed from consideration? We are in California and bound by Davis sterling laws. Our bypass speak nothing to this issue.

If he has not attended any meetings he should not be a director.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
This site has links for the state statutes: http://www.associationtimes.com/stateInformation.htm
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Also David ... check your documents and see if there is anything about if a director or officer miss X number of meetings without excuse they can be removed from office.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
David

Qualifications for Directors must be spelled out in both your Bylaws and followed up with your Election Rules as required by D-S. We just finished amending our Bylaws and one one ares we address was qualifications for Directors; 18 years or older, owner of unit, cannot be behind on assessments more than 30 days, cannot miss 3 consecutive meetings or 3 meeting within a 9 month period.

Unfortunately, if you don't have this in place, the individual, per you Bylaws, is qualified. Now, you can campaign on the fact that the individual has not attended meetings and you, if elected, would.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Our docs do not speak to non attendance I want it added but the entrenched board will not add it to protect themselves
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidA7 on 10/12/2010 10:03 AM
Our docs do not speak to non attendance I want it added but the entrenched board will not add it to protect themselves

I will give you a web site that would be very helpful to you. It is from a law firm that specializes in HOA law in California. IMO, its the best legal web site in the country.

http://www.davis-stirling.com/default.aspx

There is a way to amend the Bylaws to include qualifications and other things. You will need to read your Bylaws thoroughly. If the BOD refuses to address this, then get a petition signed to call a Special Meeting of the Memmbers, stating what you want the Bylaws changed to or amended. The Board has so many days to respond and set a date, or if they don't the petition creator has the ability to do so and then its their meeting. Follow your election procedures for amending your Bylaws, usually a majority of members for quorum and an affirmative vote of 51% of the members. This is done at the meeting set forth in the petition.

If you need help, let me know.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
David:

This is what I found in the state code:

5221. (a) The board may declare vacant the office of a director who
has been declared of unsound mind by a final order of court, or
convicted of a felony, or been found by a final order or judgment of
any court to have breached any duty under Article 3 (commencing with
Section 5230), or, if at the time a director is elected, the bylaws
provide that a director may be removed for missing a specified number
of board meetings, fails to attend the specified number of meetings.
(b) As provided in paragraph (3) of subdivision (c) of Section
5151, the articles or bylaws may prescribe the qualifications of
directors. The board, by a majority vote of the directors who meet
all of the required qualifications to be a director, may declare
vacant the office of any director who fails or ceases to meet any
required qualification that was in effect at the beginning of that
director's current term of office.

It does state here the By-Laws provide for missing specified number of board meetings.

The only other item I found is possibly if any of the directors or their family members have been compensated by the corporation for any services rendered within the previous 12 months.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
The board will not vote him off. The remaining hoa members are voting in sync with the hoa presidents wishes. I need something concrete to say he is not legally allowed to be on ballot since he has never attended meetings He lives in another state. The board president told other members to vote for him because the board president doesn't like me.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Unfortunately David, there is nothing. It's politics.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
David - he may have "attended" meetings eletronrically or over the phone.

If not, check the minutes of the meetings. The attendance list should be included.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
David,

I don't see where there is a legal basis that would prevent this person from being on the ballot. Even if your bylaws state a board member is automatically removed for not attending x number of meetings that still would not disqualify him from running in the next election. About the only thing you can do is try to convince the other members of the assn that he is not serving the community by not attending board meetings and that, if elected, you would definitely attend all board meetings.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Are all NOMINATIONS closed?
Can you get nominated from the floor at the meeting?
Start campaigning, if so.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
I am on the ballot for the next election but it is useless.

There are total of 4 people on ballot, myself, the current President, Secretary and Treasure. The P and S live onsite and the Treasure lives in another state. None of these 3 have conducted a legal meeting this year open to the membership. The entire membership other than me stands behind the President - see reason in my other postings. The Board for two years has not followed the laws governing it but I can't do anythnig because no one will stand with me as they are in the back pocket of the President.

Here is the problem, we have 8 units, 2 are in foreclosure so can't vote, leaving 6 votes. Taking away my vote I still can't get enough votes to be on Board because the President will tell other members how to vote and they will follow him.

Regardless, now the only thing I can do is sue. 1) for not following the laws governing the Assocation, 2) sue the Treasure for not attending meetings if he is not our annual meeting since he has a fiduciary responsibility to review books every 4 months and he is not and is not presenting results at the meeting and finally I will have a suit as they have not followed a court ordered mediation from a claim I previously had against them.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Unfortunately David, you're fighting an uphill battle, up Mt. Everett. Look at the problems we have in Sacramento and no one will do a thing. Your job is to get the support of the others. As right as you may be, you need support.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here