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DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
I have been asking for the past couple of months if our HOA is going to perform the required HOA study this year. Our last one was in 2007. Per the California Civil code supposed to conduct one every 3 years. Finally today I was informed via the Mgt. Company that the Board is looking to either due it this year or beginning of next year and the Mgt. company is currently getting quotes for the process. I asked if it was the law it be conducted this year and I was told "Yes, it is supposed to be every three years. The Reserve companies are really busy right now."
My impression given how our 2010 Board operates is they will leave it for the next Board to perform the task as the current Board members, as of my current understanding, will not be running for the 2011 Board.

My question is what is the responsibility of the 2010 HOA Board to perform this study and what is their liability if they do not conduct it? Can they be held personally accountable for not conducting the study?

thanks,
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
While I agree that this is important, it is probably not urgent-important for your board and would cost money that maybe they don't have.

Are you suggesting there are newly imperative issues in the Reserve Fund that needs attention now?

I could see if the last update was 10 years ago, but you won't get a prosecutor in the USA to take your case for a 3-4 year lapse.

DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Actually it is not an issue if its important or not the issue is the laws governing the Association require it to be conducted every 3 years. Example, we have 1 unit in foreclosure and 2 units in short-sale. For those prospective buyers they may not be provided the latest information on the state of the HOA financial condition as it relates to reserve funding if the report they have access to is 3 years old because the HOA BOD has not performed its obligation to have the study done every 3 years. It is also not right to pass on this legal requirement to an incoming Board. The issue of cost is a mute point as you can not justify not doing it just because of money concerns if it is legally required.

It can also be argued if their is substantial need to raise dues as a result of a reserve fund finding and the existing Baord does not conduct the study and puts the burden of raising dues on a future BOD then cause is in place that the past BOD's did not meet their legal obligation as a BOD. One of my concerns is the President is short-selling his home and he does not want to conduct a reserve study this year so as to prevent any potential negative issues arising while he is short-selling his home.

What I'm looking at is what legal liability, regardless if an attorney will take it or not, is placed on the existing Board of Director's if they do not follow the law govering them for this issue?

REQUIREMENT

(e) At least once every three years the board of directors shall cause to be conducted a reasonable competent and diligent visual inspection of the accessible areas of the major components which the association is obligated to repair, replace, restore, or maintain as part of a study of the reserve account requirements of the common interest development, if the current replacement value of the major components is equal to or greater than one-half of the gross budget of the association, excluding the association’s reserve account for that period. '

The board shall review this study annually, or cause it to be reviewed annually and shall consider and implement necessary adjustments to the board’s analysis of the reserve account requirements as a result of that review.

The study required by this subdivision shall at a minimum include:

(1) Identification of the major components which the association is obligated to repair, replace, restore, or maintain which, as of the date of the study, have a remaining useful life of less than 30 years.

(2) Identification of the probable remaining useful life of the components identified in paragraph (1) as of the date of the study.

(3) An estimate of the cost of repair, replacement, restoration, or maintenance of the components identified in paragraph (1) during and at the end of their useful life.

(4) An estimate of the total annual contribution necessary to defray the cost to repair, replace, restore, or maintain the components identified in paragraph (1) during and at the end of their useful life, after subtracting total reserve funds as of the date of the study. ***

(5)(f) As used in this section, ?reserve accounts” means moneys that the association’s board of directors has identified for use to defray the future repair or replacement of, or additions to, those major components that the association is obligated to maintain.

(5)(g) As used in this section, ?reserve account requirements” means the estimated funds which the association’s board of directors has determined are required to be available at a specified point in time to repair, replace, or restore those major components which the association is obligated to maintain. ***
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
David,

Of course the board is required to follow ALL the state laws. However,if they don't then you can take them to court. But,first you should decide if it's worth your time and $$$ to sue the board for not having their reserve study updated this year. Perhaps the reserve companies are very busy and the BOD cannot find one to complete the study this year. Why not just wait a few months and see if they follow through with the bidding process? Frankly, I don't see that this should be a big issue. If, on the other hand, it's been 5 years since the last update then perhaps it's time to nudge the board into action. IMO, some things are just no worth raising a ruckus over.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
David,

Perhaps you could offer to chair a committee to complete the study. I've found that if someone is passionate about an issue, having them involved in the process usually produces a better result.

Tim
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
That would be wonderful but not feasible as my HOA Board is not even conducting the required meetings and has met only once in the past 2 years; at least legally.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
David,

Am I right in thinking you are the only member who is concerned about how the BOD operates? How many members in your HOA?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
David,

You never know for sure until you try. Send them an e-mail or letter saying that you are aware that the law requires a reserve study and that you are willing to chair a committee to perform this function. The worst thing that they can do is say no.

If they do say no, you will at least have documentation fo an annual meeting that you attempted to remedy the issue but the Board chose not to remedy it.

If they say yes, the study can be done.

Tim
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidA7 on 10/04/2010 2:26 PM
I have been asking for the past couple of months if our HOA is going to perform the required HOA study this year. Our last one was in 2007. Per the California Civil code supposed to conduct one every 3 years. Finally today I was informed via the Mgt. Company that the Board is looking to either due it this year or beginning of next year and the Mgt. company is currently getting quotes for the process. I asked if it was the law it be conducted this year and I was told "Yes, it is supposed to be every three years. The Reserve companies are really busy right now."
My impression given how our 2010 Board operates is they will leave it for the next Board to perform the task as the current Board members, as of my current understanding, will not be running for the 2011 Board.

My question is what is the responsibility of the 2010 HOA Board to perform this study and what is their liability if they do not conduct it? Can they be held personally accountable for not conducting the study?

thanks,

Hi David:

As I read your statement the Mgmt Company told you the board will complete either end of this year or beginning of next year and that the reserve companies are "really busy". So we are talking about maybe 3-6 months late?

If I am guessing correctly your concern is if it is not done this year is there personal liability.

I'm not an attorney; however, if they have been trying to get it done this year, but may run into the beginning of next year because the reserve company is "really busy" ... then they have been trying to comply with performing their duty. FYI ... they should NEVER be personally accountable for the "Reserve Companies" being "really busy" per your statement. Plus as long as any board or officer is performing their duty and attempting to benefit the HOA even if something may run a few "months" behind ... they are still performing.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
MARY: Am I right in thinking you are the only member who is concerned about how the BOD operates? How many members in your HOA?

You are correct. We have 8 units in our complex. 1 is in foreclosure, 1 is in pre-foreclosure/short-sale, and another is in short/sale. Of the remaining 5 units 2 are in rental status. The Board is effectively run by a single person, the other two go along 100% with whatever that persons says to due. The third person on the Board is a sham as he doesn't live on property and has never attended in person any meetings. Everything the Board does or agrees upon is via e-mail. They have 100% refused to conduct any meetings this year or last year.

I have been blocked from participating on the Board as the President got a coalition of other homeowners to not vote for me in return he guaranteed them that he would get passed a removal of rental restrictions that were in place. This I surmize. Additionally, I am the activist in the community and this has rubbed people the wrong way and thus I was not re-elected onto the Board. Yes, no one else gives a DAMM about how the place is run only that that they get their way. They don't care that our Board is breaking laws that govern them and they will not support me in addressing these issues. They just want to rent their places and go on with their lives. They have no clue as an example the Board spent $1800, when we have very little money, on new plants and planters and threw away plants/planters that were just purchased a couple years ago.

I am a homeowner who lives on the property and I care deeply that our HOA works properly not just to protect me but to protect the entire populace of the HOA.

Right now the only way I can get the Board to behave or do anything is by lawsuit. In fact, I won a mediated agreement in small claims and now they are not even following through 100% with that. I am having to reopen another case against them just to get them to comply with the original mediated agreement.

I offered to help out with participation but the Board President told me in the only meeting in the last two years the 2009 annual meeting that he personally hates me and he will not allow me to participate in anything to do with the Board and for all the other processes he doesn't care what the law is he will do it how he wants. I asked his comments to be recorded in meeting minutes but they were not told the Board would not modify the minutes after I read them to include the President's comments.

It is a complete nightmare! Unfortunately I can't afford a lawyer to hold this guy liable for all the laws he has broken, at least 7 and counting, so I have to just pursue small claims. This time around I will not agree to a mediated settlement to be a nice guy.

As for the Reserve study I sent two communications to the Board one in February and one in July reminding them to perform the reserve study this year. They waited until October to even start the process thus yes the reserve companies are going to be busy. Did they meet the fiduciary requirements I don't think so as they waited until a time that they new it would not be processed by the end-of-year. Enough said!

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 388
Posted:
David,

There are 1,702 members in my assn. I serve on the Advisory Board and was a board member in a former assn (hands-on Treas). Of course, it should always be a concern of all members of an HOA how their board operates. But no matter the size -- a very small one such as yours or a large one such as mine -- member apathy seems to prevail.

Now I recall all the problems you've uncovered with your board from past messages you've posted. I know it must be very frustrating for you especially since your assn is so small and you know all the members. I know this is not a good time to sell, but if an offer presents itself I think you should grab it. This cannot be good for your well-being. It's doubtful the board is going to change since their hands have already been slapped by the court and they're still not complying with state law. To continually take them to small claims is only going to get them madder and madder at you and put more of a financial and mental strain on you. There comes a time when you have to realize that it isn't worth the time, money and aggrevation.

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