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TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
I have recently been asking about a Rental Restriction amendment that we are going to be proposing to the membership.

One issue that continues to scare me is something that someone brought up in another topic: The liability of not enforcing the restriction. I worry that if we set up a rental restriction and members break the restriction and we fine them but we do not go to court to collect the fines we may open ourselves up to a law suit from another owner that is trying to sell their unit. That owner could claim that the HOA is not enforcing rental restriction rules and that is lowering their property value.

So maybe going to small claims court against owners that are renting without board approval per the CCR might make it easier to defend against a case where the other owner is suing us. I would think we could say to the judge that we tried to enforce the CC&R and we could show that we have taken the offending owner to court.

Does that make sense?

If so then there is the issue of who is going to present the rental restriction penalty collection case in small claims court? All three current board members are busy people and have jobs, including myself. I would prefer not to take a half day or day off to do this, without some compensation. Is this possible? Our CC&Rs state that we can not pay ourselves for the position of being on the board and we have never done so in any way. But this is something that goes beyond that in my opinion. Would it be legally possible to pay a board member to represent the board in small claims court? (This is in California).
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Hire an attorney to represent the HOA and add his/her fees to the claim.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
I am really inexperienced with this stuff. I assume this is a two stage process.

First stage: go to small claims court with a claim (less than $5000) against the owner who is delinquent paying the rental restriction penalty, and presumably win a judgement to have them pay the claim. The CCR rental restriction (if passed) would say that non payment of rental restriction penalty will be enforced with a lien.

Second stage: get a lawyer to place a lien when they don't pay. The lien would include the penalty and legal and court fees.

I am concerned about owners that would not pay us after stage one. If we use a half day of legal time for stage one the HOA will be out significant money with no hope of getting paid until the Lien is paid, and as we are finding out even the lien doesn't ensure getting paid if other institutions, like the mortgages or prop taxes are higher priority.

As stated originally, my goal in enforcing the penalty is not entirely to collect the funds. It is also to show evidence that the BOD is trying to enforce the CCR's just in case a home owner feels lack of enforcement is lowering their prop value.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tino,

I have been following your process in establishibg a non rental; policy (which I feel is going to be a burdeon on your association). You have not gotten the amendment passed yet, have you? Your last post was your concern over the language of the amendment from the attorney. So now you have the cart before the horse with worrying about how to fine and how to lein and how to go to court. What is all of this telling you? It tells me that you are opening up a whole new can of worms with this type of restriction. It tells me that you will have to go after your fellow owners when they cannot or do not wish to follow the non rental policy. This will be interesting to see how it all works out. And we HAVE established that non enforcement does not lower property values.
TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
DonnaS,

I agree with you. It could easily open a can of worms. So while I started asking questions while I was trying to figure out what we wanted, at this point I am against it and want to convince the other board members of that. I suspect that it won't be hard to kill it as all I have to do is say I am done doing any more work on this and the other two guys will realize they will actually need to do something and it will come to a screeching halt.

Unfortunately we have already spent a lot of money to have an attorney write a document that I wouldn't vote for even if I wasn't concerned about the liability of not enforcing it. The proposal he wrote seems really flawed and I was hoping to get some opinions about that in one of my other postings.

You may notice that I ask very pointed questions, not so much to support a position for or against the rental restriction, but instead to try to understand different issues of how the law works. (and I know it is different state by state).

My question this time --- Can a board member get paid by the HOA for their time when they go to small claims court to represent the HOA?

Donna, BTW, I don't remember where we established that non-enforcement does not lower property value. I truly don't remember that part of this saga.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tino,

If your bylaws allow board members to be compensated then, yes you could be compensated for time spent at court. Knowing that it's a volunteer position,most board members serve w/o even thinking of being compensated except perhaps for out-of-pocket expenses (purchase envelopes, stamps, etc.).
TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
From our Bylaws

"Compensation

Section 4. No director shall receive compensation for any service he may render to the Association. However, any director may be reimbursed for his actual expenses incurred in the performance of his duties."

So I could be paid for gas to get to the court house but not for my time or the expense of missing a half day of work.

I have a salaried job with finite vacation time . The other two board members work for themselves. None of us are retired or have any free time during the day so it would be near impossible to get us to attend small claims court for the sake of the other homeowners, some of which are out of state, out of country, and most of the rest retired. An attorney would be the alternative and as mentioned his expenses would be paid by the HOA with only a hope and a prayer of seeing it paid by the owner that was breaking the rules.

Another point against adding more rules that have to be enforced.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Tim - Well, SOMEONE has to represent in court, so you can pay an attorney $350 per hr. or give a stipend to a person to act as an agent for the HOA.

I don't see why the Board cannot stipend a person for his/her time in court (per diem).

(PS: I really think that "non compensation" clause is for serving on the board, not for services above and beyond regular board duties. Sitting in court for 6 hours is not "board duty" IMHO.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Tino,

If your Association is incorporated, you probably have a registered agent. The registered agent can represent you in court (even small claims). Typically, but not always, the registered agent is an attorney.

Tim
TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 09/29/2010 10:55 PM
Tino,

If your Association is incorporated, you probably have a registered agent. The registered agent can represent you in court (even small claims). Typically, but not always, the registered agent is an attorney.

Tim

I am not sure if we even have a registered agent. A quick google search for the term tells me that we are supposed to have one. I will discuss this with our property manager to see if she is our registered agent.

But regardless of that my question was about the strategy of trying to avoid professional legal fees at $350/hr to represent us in small claims court to try to enforce a penalty.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Did I miss that you had a management company?

Send that person. Your board can stipend that cost.

In Michigan, the Annual Report is due in October. The officers and the registered agent are listed. You SHOULD have a Registered Agent, in fact, I think it's required.
TinoS (California)
Posts: 85
Posted:
I just looked up representation in small claims court in California. It appears that the advice I got from some people here to use a lawyer in small claims court is wrong.

Can Someone Else Represent You?
In most situations, parties to a small claims action must represent themselves. As a general rule, attorneys or non-attorney representatives (such as debt collection agencies or insurance companies) may not represent you in small claims court. Self-representation is usually required. There are, however, several exceptions to this general rule:

Corporation or other legal entity — A corporation or other legal entity (but not a natural person) can be represented by a regular employee, an officer, or a director, and a partnership can be represented by a partner or regular employee of the partnership, but the representative may not be an attorney or person whose only job is to represent the party in small claims court.

I think we could get the Property Manager to represent us if we had to.
AvanD1 (California)
Posts: 22
Posted:
I thought attorneys are not allowed to present cases in California SCC

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