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VR (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The HOA has been locked in a 3 month dispute with a former volunteer & disgruntled homeowner over ownership of the "HOA's" website. 5 years ago several volunteers, including the disgruntled homeowner created the website: a Homeowner & web designer created & designed it, another Homeowner fine-tuned & populated it, and the disgruntled one bought the domain name & service contract holding it all with his/her credit card; many more volunteers went door to door, and donated valuable incentive prizes, to get the Homeowners to register their email addresses and telephone numbers. Took 3 years but we got to over 95% participation. The disgruntled H. did not get ARC approval for a structure he wanted to install in his/her front yard and used the email system in violation of Board policy to get all the other Homeowners on his side (not his/her first offense on personal use of the email system). Board promptly decided to use another payment system with which s/he refused to comply. Over the next few months the relationship deteriorated and finally, s/he used his/her access to lock the HOA out of the website, confiscate the confidential Homeowner database, change ownership records, & appropriate several domain names and another website not purchased with his/her credit card. We've tried everything: calling the hosting company, several directors have visited him/her privately for weeks, telephone calls, demand letter from the Board, meetings with him/her. The only thing the HOA didn't do was threaten legal action. The only result is last week s/he returned the domain names and the website not bought with his/her credit card. S/He adamantly claims ownership of all, including the confidential Homeowner database (we don't have a copy due to a computer crash and no disk copies either) and particularly the domain name. We can only communicate with the 331 homeowners through posters, snail mail, & telephone right now. We're faced with either starting over or suing him/her. We tried to compromise but s/he apparently only wants a return to the HOA "using" the website with him/her holding full access, ownership, control, & editorial veto! Plus s/he wants a several thousand $$ cash penalty if the HOA "uses it against [him/her]" AND a promise that the HOA will never start it's own website! S/He says the HOA can go ahead and start its own website but without the confidential Homeowner database because s/he owns that too and doesn't want the HOA to "compete" with his/her website! S/He says s/he's doing all this because s/he's angry about the ARC denial from 10 months ago.

The CC&R's prohibit members from doing any act with the intention of harming the HOA or its operations, and from doing any act that would make it impossible or unnecessarily difficult to carry on the ordinary operations of the HOA, and from using the name of the HOA or anything like it except on behalf of the HOA, etc. No question of violations, and more than that I think. The Board is split: (1) obviously some want to sue or at least start a suit and hope s/he sees the light and returns everything (unfortunately cost estimates are between $25k and $50k); (2) others don't want to waste funds on a lawsuit and think it would be easier and cheaper to start over even if it includes going door to door again; they don't want to tell the homeowners what's going on, afraid to violate his/her privacy. They think no one is really being hurt and insist that suing him is not neighborly and any chance we have of resolving this will only come if we don't make him/her angrier. The Board is not prepared to reverse the denial and someone has suggested it might be cheaper to "buy" everything back from him/her although s/he has refused money to date.

IMO, this has the potential to go on for a very long time if nothing is done. Meanwhile we cannot easily communicate with our Homeowners, we don't have access to our neighborhood's public face, our Homeowners' privacy is at risk, and the HOA is being held hostage. Regardless of the cheaper cost, should s/he go ahead and run his/her own website as s/he plans to do, the HOA will still end up having to sue to stop him/her. Not to mention the fiduciary duties involved (e.g., collecting all those email addresses and unlisted phone numbers included promises to keep the info for HOA and personal use only. Could no longer guarantee that.). In the long run, I think going to court now should settle the matter for good and ultimately for (hopefully) less. We don't have to charge an assessment to do this but ultimately, as you know, it will come out of our pockets. I just don't see how we can walk away from this. It has been going on for more or less ten months and it's a drain. I feel like a warmonger but I also feel like rights are being violated, and worse. Please. I would appreciate any insight/suggestions/ideas.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You can start a new website with Godaddy tomorrow for $2.

Just start over, and remember it as a learning experience. Start the database again and put the domain name in the association's name. Your old website has no value once people start using the new one.
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Register the 'mate' to your website name. If your site is Glorybee.com, register Glorybee.net or Glorybee.info, etc.

Notify your residents with a flyer - "See us on Glorybee.net - our new web site.

Go from there. You can't go back. Call it a lesson learned.

peter
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Use this website (hoatalk.com) and have Doug set it up
for you. He does a great job and for a few extra coins will even
add, delete, maintain. We have used his website for many years and have
never had a problem. We pay a standard monthly fee(annual invoice) and it is worth every penny, and very inexpensive. We even have a community
chat site......that any member can use.....only rule is to "play nice!"
We have 140 homes in our community.
VR (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
We did register mates. With GoDaddy. They accidentally gave him/her access and s/he stole those too and locked us out again. GoDaddy told us to call the authorities to report the theft or sue.

But, it sounds like you're unanimous . . . it just doesn't seem fair.
VR (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I'll check Doug out. Thanks.
EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Best bet is to start over. Get the site name sorted out and purchased first. Start building a site. Clearlycommunicate the situation to the residents. Once your site is up get your residents to register.
1. Create a site that allows self registration.
2. Buy the domain in the HOA's name.
3. get verification from your attorney about liability of the HOA for the resident info this person is sitting on.
4. Write a clear but strong set of website terms and conditions with clause on homeowner info.
5 use a third party web hosting service.
6 . At least two people on the board should have full owner/ admin rights to the site at all times.
7. Always use bcc when sending community emails to protect privacy.

I speak from lots of experience on this and our HOA had residents hack and take over our last site before I could implement measures like these. The switch will be painful but worth it. Keep your residents in the loop.
E
HOA Director, Web developer and Administrator
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
GoDaddy told us to call the authorities to report the theft or sue.


So..... tell the neighbor by registered letter, they have 7 days to turn over the password or you will report the theft to the police. If no luck, report it.

Register a new domain under your own name, so they cant take it from you, and when you move, you can give it to another person you trust.
VR (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
It helps to know that someone's gone through this before and the community's still intact. Can you tell me what happened?

The domain was registered in his name and the HOA's. We did the registered letter with deadline thing. He refused to accept it so we hand delivered it. He still didn't.

But then that's the problem -- the follow through! Agreeing to sue a neighbor, one you've lived with and worked beside for years, is a very, very difficult decision even if you can afford it. But I guess that's the point: when you're an HOA, even if you can afford it, you can't. It's beginning to sound like a lawsuit is the very last resort and then only to save life & limb. I guess I can see the wisdom in that . . . now . . . sort of . . . but who knew neighbors could be so evil???? And who knew they could get away with it??!!? Don't answer that. I've read the other posts.
VR (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I forgot: the local police treated it like a domestic dispute and advised us to work it out amongst ourselves. They said it was really not their area as it would be too difficult to prove theft since he was an authorized user (his credit card trumped ours). Turns out it's really a federal matter, what with the intellectual property issues and all. Even less interest there. Were advised to go the lawsuit route.
EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
VR
Reading the other parts of this thread I noticed that the person is also holding on to your database. Going forward your HOA should keep an off line file of that. Vital info for your HOA to conduct business. Our incident was messy but it wAs resolved. You do hace several challenges. You News a New Site, a new domain name and your HOA data is compromised. You really need to consult with your HOA legal council about the residents and any liability.

E
HOA Director, Web Admin and Developer

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
ICANN oversees domain registration and here is information you can read: http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/udrp.htm

If necessary you might also try small claims court as this would be less expensive.

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